Posted on 05/23/2008 10:12:33 AM PDT by LeGrande
"The raid - resulting in the largest child custody case in American history - was based on a lie."
"Police traced the calls to 33-year-old Colorado Springs woman named Rozita Swinton. Swinton had earlier been arrested for making a false report, and accused of posing as "Jennifer," 16, who called 911 to report that her father had locked her in a basement for days. Swinton may also have posed as thirteen-year-old Dana Anderson, who was being sexually abused by her pastor and raped by her father. There is no evidence that Sarah, Jennifer, or Dana exist. Swinton remains a "person of interest" in the case, but has not been charged in connection to the raid. "
“Again you are misguided and confused. Law enforcement doesn’t defend anyone, they simply prosecute, but I wouldn’t presume to think that you could understand the difference. “
What? Someone enforcing the law by stopping a thug from shooting you is really supposed to be “prosecuting” you instead? Maybe that’s how it works on your planet, but last I checked law enforcement has as its sole true purpose protecting people. So you are right, I can’t understand your logic at all.
“I didn’t post the sexually deviant pictures, you did.”
And you would be the ones defending Jeffs clan by stating there is no proof of abuses at YFZ. I think it is quite analgous to the anti-abortion groups posting pictures of aborted fetuses - the shock value is meant to get past the non-visual baflegab.
“That makes you a pervert.”
No it doesn’t. But protecting the FLDS makes you an enabler.
“What kind of sick twisted individual goes looking for pictures like that?”
Well, there’s a whole thread on it here, all in relation to how Jeffs was very much involved at YFZ:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2020669/posts?page=32#32
“Lets see, FastCoyote does and that makes you and DannyTN perverts. Unlike you, I use facts not emotion.”
Let’s see, a picture is not a fact, but calling us perverts is a fact but not emotion???
Bwahahahahaha
You are starting to look pretty silly, spinning, twisting, name calling, wrapping yourself in the flag. Maybe that stuff works with noobies, but it really isn’t very high up the chain of debate skills.
[There were some long time posters who weren’t terribly informed. They’d not bothered to watch the Warren Jeffs trial, nor had they independently informed themselves about how some of these groups can be incredibly brutal to children.
So, they took a narrow legalistic point of view and got fish slapped.
That’s perfectly fair.
I think they’re much more informed now. ]
Let us just hope it was ignorance. I live in Vegas where Jeffs was captured and have quite a lot of historical background. Of course, Jeffs and his groups whole purpose has been to obfuscate, so it is little wonder they have tried to make this a Constitutional isse rather than what it is, a human breeding farm experiment cloaked in supposed pastel normalcy.
Nancy Grace still thinks the Duke LAX team is guilty. From the reactions on other threads here, I bet some freepers do too.
Fake but accurate eh? Dan Rather would be proud of you.
Lets see what you actually did and said. You posted a picture of a man and a 12 year old girl kissing and made this comment.
Here you go, all you brave "Freedom Lovers" can get your kicks looking at the following pics of Jeffs with a 12 year old. Now a good portion of the kids at YFZ ranch are Jeffs, or cross bred with Jeffs henchmen.
You accused us of "getting our kicks" by looking at 12 year old girls. And you are accusing me of going ballistic and putting a spin on it? Who is the pervert who posted the picture? FastCoyote. Who is the pervert that accused others of getting their kicks by looking at pictures of 12 year old girls kissing grown men? FastCoyote.
FastCoyote, I am wise to the methods that you and your ilk use and I refuse to be intimidated or shouted down. I think I am going to enjoy exposing your lies and sexual perversions in the days and months to come. What is the snipers motto? You can run, but you will just die tired.
Right. Nifong the hell out of 'em.
You’re beyond paranoid.. you’re to the point where not only do you make up facts for which you have no actual knowledge, but you ignore a complete lack of evidence. In your hatred of this group, you rely on your feelings rather than facts to make your point.
They have new talking points. You are calling them correctly. I think they want this sick stuff to be true. they are excited by it.
True. I realize that now. I was wrong and thinking with my emotions rather than my brain.
Police do not have a legal obligation to stop someone from shooting me. They do have an obligation to apprehend and prosecute that person after he shoots me. I would show you the legal cases but like I said, I wouldn't presume to think that you might understand.
And you would be the ones defending Jeffs clan by stating there is no proof of abuses at YFZ. I think it is quite analgous to the anti-abortion groups posting pictures of aborted fetuses - the shock value is meant to get past the non-visual baflegab.
Obviously you think that if someone breaks the law, that justifies breaking the law to catch them. All that really accomplishes is breaking and denigrating the law.
When you posted the pictures you accused me of getting my kicks off from pictures like that. In my book that makes you a pedophile and a pervert for thinking that way.
Well, there’s a whole thread on it here, all in relation to how Jeffs was very much involved at YFZ:
All that thread proves is that there are a whole lot of sick twisted perverts like you, running dog.
Let’s see, a picture is not a fact, but calling us perverts is a fact but not emotion???
You are the pervert that posted the picture and said that the rest of us got our kicks by looking at the picture you posted. That is perverted and sick.
You can twist in the wind all day, but it won't change the fact that you are one sick bent pervert.
[FastCoyote, I am wise to the methods that you and your ilk use and I refuse to be intimidated or shouted down. I think I am going to enjoy exposing your lies and sexual perversions in the days and months to come. What is the snipers motto? You can run, but you will just die tired. ]
Ooooh. Now we are “ilk” too. But I thought you never used emotion? Yet, we are the Bigoted, cabal, ilk, pigs to be hosed, lynch mob, voyeur, sexual perverts, etc., etc. If I used those terms I’d be banned.
And then you go and threaten to hunt me like a sniper. Talk about not so subtle mindbending, it must come from your Danite background.
FC: “Here you go, all you brave “Freedom Lovers” can get your kicks looking at the following pics of Jeffs with a 12 year old. Now a good portion of the kids at YFZ ranch are Jeffs, or cross bred with Jeffs henchmen.”
LeGrande: “You accused us of “getting our kicks” by looking at 12 year old girls. And you are accusing me of going ballistic and putting a spin on it? Who is the pervert who posted the picture? FastCoyote. Who is the pervert that accused others of getting their kicks by looking at pictures of 12 year old girls kissing grown men? FastCoyote. “
LeGrande, you and your “cabal” (to borrow your favorite phrase) have been running around claiming there is zero evidence of any abuse at the YFZ ranch. Any time people are so dense as to deny the existence of any evidence of evil they can be considered enablers. As enablers you are promoting dirty old men getting their kicks from young girls. Now I don’t know which is worse, getting kicks from those pics (which are nowhere near as bad as what really happened), or being an enabler for those who would engage in that activity.
Now, if I erred in suggesting you would get your kicks from that, I apologize. What I do not apologize for is calling you an enabler.
You of all people on this board well know the entire history of this polygamous child abusing cult which goes all the way back to Brigham Young and Joseph Smith. While others can plead ignorance of the long history of incest and child marriage, you can not plead ignorance, nor can I. So if I went too far with one statement, so be it, but the accusation that you are a knowlgeable enabler/collaborator stands.
The idea that there is zero evidence of abuse at YFZ and this is entirely a Constitutional abuse question is obfuscation of the worst degree.
On occasion I have had to get dirty cleaning a stuck sewer line, that felt clean by comparison. Even replying to these sickos, just makes my skin crawl. I was taught that if I get in a fight to finish it and that is what I intend to do.
“Police do not have a legal obligation to stop someone from shooting me. They do have an obligation to apprehend and prosecute that person after he shoots me. I would show you the legal cases but like I said, I wouldn’t presume to think that you might understand. “
Because you are an atheist, you are caught up in legalisms because you have nothing to fall back on. The police, thank God, in most cases also act under moral obligation (otherwise you’d never hear of them doing anything to stop a crime in progress, they’d just barricade an apartment, let the wife and kids be killed and then arrest the perp when he ran out of food).
“They do have an obligation to apprehend and prosecute that person after he shoots me.”
Well, following your earlier kind blessing that I get everything due to me, I wish you the same kind of police protection. Fortunately, 99% of the police do not act that way, and most times they are given a pass for justifiable actions in the line of duty.
[Obviously you think that if someone breaks the law, that justifies breaking the law to catch them. All that really accomplishes is breaking and denigrating the law. ]
Heck yes, if there is a kid who will be killed if an officer fails to break numerous jaywalking/speeding/entry/wiretapping laws, then that officer has a moral obligation to do so and “the law” is there to sort it out afterwards. It does not denigrate the law at all to serve the greater good, as long as checks and balances are in place. That’s why, for example, people are given immunity for testimony (or does that denigrate the law in your view?). In other words, your blanket admonition against lawbreaking is a sieve full of holes.
“All that thread proves is that there are a whole lot of sick twisted perverts like you, running dog. “
Oh great, another name to call me. My isn’t that unique, more inspired name calling: [sick twisted pervert running dog]
I’m going to make a suggestion, just skip the verbs because they get in the way of the names. No “emotionalism” from you, just unadulterated “hate” and “vituperation”.
“You are the pervert that posted the picture and said that the rest of us got our kicks by looking at the picture you posted. That is perverted and sick. “
And you are the enabler for the whole FLDS clan, which multiplies any of my projected sins a few thousand fold. But, that’s right, you don’t believe in sin because you are a Mormon turned atheist. And you obviously don’t believe in a higher moral law.
So I guess everyone should believe you, even though you answer to no one but yourself.
The pictures were entered into evidence on Friday in the custody hearing for Richard Joseph Jessop, born last week to Louisa Bradshaw (Jessop) and her husband, Dan Jessop. The state is seeking custody of the baby.
I guess the state of Texas is going to try to prove that the FLDS environment is abusive. However, in America we don’t take children away from their parents because they might be abused in the future (except in the cases where the children have been abused in the past and the parents show a pattern of abuse.) CPS has proved nothing to this point, and has not followed their own rules, which is to take children from homes immediately when they are in imminent danger. A few years down the road is not imminent danger.
Do I think there is underage marriage at the YFZ ranch? Yes. However, it needs to be proven in a court of law. We all are innocent until proven guilty in America, aren’t we?
re: The references to Waco are getting old... that was federal...
Whatever "freshness" you personally demand for references is irrelevant. The underlying foundational principles of our Constitutional Republic which were flouted, attacked and savaged by our own government, both federal AND state, at Waco are always relevant AND timeless, whether you like it or not.
re: ...and there was proven evidence of child abuse. I don't think you have said that...
This statement is flatly untrue.
...but those that [do say this] need to review the case.
Unfortunately, it is you who needs more study of that incident... your knowledge is sadly deficient.
The consideration and discussion of the events at Waco in comparison to this recent incident regarding the Texas FLDS is entirely apropos.
She looked like a b....,and acted high and mighty. I wondered how she kept her job.
I live in Texas and remember Waco very well. I may be wrong but I do not think so.
I may not agree with the teachings and goings on, but we have a constitution for a reason as they are finding out as I type.
I feel sad for the children who are probably very confused.
If you're correct about this that's really interesting to me.
& great catch btw.
I wonder how many other people have noticed that she is the same woman from Waco...
What is very scary is it all started with an anonymous phone call.
I am glad I get on with my neighbors lest they place an anonymous phone call accusing me of something heinous!
Yes that 'anonymous' call was very convenient. Almost on cue.
They were premature as to wanting to seize the compound to cover the costs for their expenses. Something smelled fishy there.
When a friend and I discussed this as it unfolded, one of our theories were, someone wants the prime piece of property.
Well, I'm not sure what the motive is/was. I don't believe they did this for the safety or protection of the children.
I believe the “Churches” teachings, if you call it that, is disgusting.
But bypassing normal procedures is not the way of going about it.
I don't understand their teachings enough to have formed an opinion about them.
The FLDS don't seem to want to force me to convert to what they believe.
& I find that pretty refreshing...(:
Also, I think the most of the women are pretty & feminine.
(& yes I like their prairie dresses too, go ahead & laugh I won't mind)
LOL You are confused, Pigs to be hosed is your cabal term. Why don't you run to the moderators and see which one of us gets banned? That's what Colorcountry does when I start pointing out her lies. Generally they start deleting her posts.
And then you go and threaten to hunt me like a sniper. Talk about not so subtle mindbending, it must come from your Danite background.
Danite background? You are hallucinating.
LeGrande, you and your “cabal” (to borrow your favorite phrase) have been running around claiming there is zero evidence of any abuse at the YFZ ranch.
That is simply a silly strawman argument. Asking to see evidence is not the same as denying that there is any evidence. I bet they could find evidence that you have abused your children (if, sadly, you have any).
Any time people are so dense as to deny the existence of any evidence of evil they can be considered enablers. As enablers you are promoting dirty old men getting their kicks from young girls. Now I don’t know which is worse, getting kicks from those pics (which are nowhere near as bad as what really happened), or being an enabler for those who would engage in that activity.
Your premise is based on a lie. Asking for evidence is not the same as denying that there is any evidence. That is not enabling. As far as I can tell the FLDS are scum, just like you.
Now, if I erred in suggesting you would get your kicks from that, I apologize. What I do not apologize for is calling you an enabler.
Obviously your apology is not sincere and I am not an enabler. Your twisted logic is ludicrous.
You of all people on this board well know the entire history of this polygamous child abusing cult which goes all the way back to Brigham Young and Joseph Smith. While others can plead ignorance of the long history of incest and child marriage, you can not plead ignorance, nor can I. So if I went too far with one statement, so be it, but the accusation that you are a knowlgeable enabler/collaborator stands.
I do understand the history and I don't condone it. You are seriously mistaken when you confuse supporting our constitutional rights with supporting rapists. I will even support your constitutional rights as much as that might pain me.
The idea that there is zero evidence of abuse at YFZ and this is entirely a Constitutional abuse question is obfuscation of the worst degree.
You are one confused individual. Did Nifong have evidence against the Duke Lacrosse team? Yes, he had eyewitnesses, DNA, victims, videos, police reports, etc. Howlin and I were among the first to question the actions of Nifong. Are you now going to accuse me of being a rapist enabler because I had the audacity to question Nifong's actions?
“LOL You are confused, Pigs to be hosed is your cabal term. “
Actually, you are the confused one. The “pigs to be hosed” term comes directly from a thread started by Grig. It had quite a number of Mormon signatories agreeing to the concept of hosing down the pig Gentiles. If there was ever a post that needed pulling, that was it, but it is an important reminder of who the real cabal is.
“Obviously your apology is not sincere and I am not an enabler. Your twisted logic is ludicrous. “
The apology was sincere, but you are still an enabler. That was my clarification.
“You are one confused individual. Did Nifong have evidence against the Duke Lacrosse team? Yes, he had eyewitnesses, DNA, victims, videos, police reports, etc. Howlin and I were among the first to question the actions of Nifong. Are you now going to accuse me of being a rapist enabler because I had the audacity to question Nifong’s actions?”
Nifong had evidence, but it was of poor quality and compromised numerous ways. The problem never was that he brought charges, but that he proceeded despite evidence to the contrary. There is 150 years of evidence regarding the FLDS and you know it - no rush to judgment here. The problem is not that you question the CPS actions, the problem is that you claim at each and every instance that the state is wrong when in fact the normal safeguards are well in place - that makes you an enabler. For anyone who believes the FLDS rights are being abused, watch this creepy video of grown women with the minds of 12 year olds.
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/21231/flds-polygamy-6
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