Posted on 05/29/2008 5:34:40 PM PDT by SandRat
FORT HUACHUCA — A car dealership with branches in Sierra Vista, Huachuca City and Tucson has been placed off-limits to thousands of active-duty service members assigned to this Southern Arizona Army post.
Ideal Automotive Group, including the company's business in Tucson known as Wildcat Mitsubishi, was informed in a May 20 letter by the fort's leadership that it is being placed off-limits.
Fort Huachuca spokeswoman Tanja Linton said, “Today (Wednesday) we got notification that Ideal Automotive Group received the letter from the garrison commander (Col. Melissa Sturgeon) notifying them they had been placed off-limits to military service members.”
Making the e-mail rounds off post Wednesday was a May 20 memorandum with the subject “Off-Limits Order,” signed by Maj. Gen. John Custer, commander of Fort Huachuca and the Army Intelligence Center, in which he said the three Ideal facilities could not be used by active-duty military personnel.
Custer’s order was to be relayed to every active-duty soldier, sailor, airman and Marine who are attached to Fort Huachuca.
“Leaders will ensure all their subordinates understand this order, and new personnel will be issued this order as part of their in-processing,” the general’s memo states.
Beau Johnston, Ideal’s general manager, said the company’s problems come about for trying to put people in cars who may not have the best credit.
Although he didn’t immediately know how much of the company’s business is from the military, Johnston said “we try to help soldiers,” some of whom come to Ideal as a last resort in trying to buy a vehicle.
The problem is sometimes customers, and that includes nonmilitary, have less than good credit, and when it is discovered, “they already have been put in a car,” he said.
That then means either a person cannot have the vehicle under a contract that was initially written or must come up with additional money for a down payment, Johnston said.
But all customers are told if they have signed a contract for a certain interest rate and it comes back from a financial company, like a bank, at a higher rate, they can walk away from the contract, he said.
What the company is now doing is making sure all the paperwork is completed before putting a person in a car so there are no surprises, Johnston said.
And, to ensure everyone understands what is happening, voice and video recordings of transactions are being done, he added.
Custer said he placed the business off-limits under an Army regulation because, “sufficient cause indicates these establishments are adversely affecting the health, safety, morals, welfare, morale and discipline of the Fort Huachuca Armed Forces personnel.” He also noted active-duty military personnel who violate his order can be subject to “negative administrative or personnel actions” for violating a lawful order.
In response to a number of written questions submitted by the Herald/Review, the fort’s judge advocate office said the decision was part of a process involving the local Armed Forces Disciplinary Control Board.
The board received information from a number of sources regarding consumer practices of Ideal Automotive Group, which led the business to be informed of the board’s findings and the post’s intent to place the business off-limits.
Before that happened, Ideal Automotive Group representatives appeared before the board in March.
Johnston said when it comes to the off-limits designation, Ideal officials tried to explain their business practices to fort officials. They are disappointed that active-duty military personnel can’t currently trade with them.
Johnston added Ideal wasn’t provided with the names of those individuals who complained and what the issues were so he and others at the company could have looked at records to present a fuller case from their side to the disciplinary board.
He expressed hope that in the future the off-limits restriction will be lifted.
After hearing the business’s side and after considering all evidence, the “board voted to have Ideal Automotive Group placed off-limits,” the response to the Herald/Review’s questions stated.
The action only applies to active-duty military service members, who “are prohibited from entering establishments or areas declared off-limits,” the response said, adding that family members are not part of the restriction, but that service members “are encouraged to share this information (with) their family members.”
Although there is no specific time as to how long a business can be placed off-limits, it remains so until the board decides, with concurrence of the post’s leadership, to lift the restriction.
In his memo, Custer stated: “This order will be reviewed every 90 days and remains in effect indefinitely until officially rescinded by this headquarters.”
In response to a Herald/Review question, the judge advocate office noted, “A person whose establishment has been declared off-limits may petition the president of the board to remove the off-limits restriction. The petition must be in writing and include a detailed report of action taken to eliminate the condition or situation that caused imposition of the restriction.”
The board president can order an investigation to determine if corrective action has been taken and then recommend removal or continuation of the off-limits restriction.
It has been a long process involving the Ideal decision, according to responses to Herald/Review questions.
“The business practices of Ideal Automotive Group were reviewed by AFDCB (Armed Forces Disciplinary Control Board) in 2004, but the board determined that no action was necessary at that time,” the response stated.
The board did not meet from 2004 until January 2008 and the board’s decision was based on “Ideal’s situation from January 2008 until April 2008.”
The board’s investigation “determined that there were numerous soldier complaints filed with Army Community Service and the Better Business Bureau,” according to the response, without providing the exact number or types of complaints.
The Better Business Bureau was not immediately available for comment.
According to a BBB Web site, Ideal Automotive Group’s facility in Sierra Vista had 14 complaints filed in the past three years.
The complaints covered contract, billing or collection, sales practices, repair, service, customer and product issues.
The majority of the complaints were addressed by the company, bbb.org said, with some resolution accepted by customers.
Only one, concerning a product issue, is currently unresolved, because the company has failed to resolve it through the BBB voluntary and self-regulatory process.
Johnston noted Ideal is not a member of the BBB but has entered into arbitration through the organization, paying $300 for each case.
The last known time the fort took this level of action was in the early 1980s, when a different Sierra Vista car dealership was placed off-limits by the post’s leadership.
Another Tucson business is currently off-limits to fort military personnel. Club Z, also known as Club Envy, was restricted to active-duty military following an altercation between a post soldier and civilian, which ended up with the civilian following a vehicle that carried soldiers in it, firing at it, killing one Iraq-bound soldier and injuring another. According to Tucson police reports, the shooter has yet to be apprehended.
Herald/Review senior reporter Bill Hess can be reached at 515-4615 or by e-mail at bill.hess@svherald.com.
Been here since ‘88 - it’s a pretty nice place to live...
ROTF!!!!!
As a short-term ex-resident, I would attest to that.
Totally, and I mean to the utmost, populated and run by moonbats.
Kumbaya.
The sob should be off limits to any decent citizen in or out of the military.
With so many Military Retirees and Veterans in this town the clown is headed down the rapids with a oar and does’t know it.
Good, let him sink and go out of business.
He is a predator instead of a dealer.
Rumor has it that he the later too. Not of cars either.
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