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To: Blood of Tyrants; txflake

>> Out with the usual nimrods who will try to convince us that speculators driving up the price of oil, wheat, corn, etc is actually GOOD for the average person living from paycheck to paycheck.

Well, for better or worse I guess I’m one of those nimrods who believes that speculation IS a significant factor in commodity prices these days.

Time will tell... time not necessarily measured in days.


16 posted on 06/06/2008 12:26:11 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (I've left Cynical City... bound for Jaded.)
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To: Nervous Tick
Well, for better or worse I guess I’m one of those nimrods who believes that speculation IS a significant factor in commodity prices these days.

Time will tell... time not necessarily measured in days.

Speculators may, indeed be driving up the market at a faster rate than the fundamentals...but the fundamentals (supply/demand) are trending in the same direction. The problem with the situation is that in a classic bubble, overspeculation eventually does lead to a huge drop in price...without anything to prop it up. However, in this case, oil producers (mostly OPEC) have the ability to adjust production to re-float the price of oil. So the rising oil prices might not be a classic "bubble".

31 posted on 06/06/2008 12:35:18 PM PDT by NRG1973
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To: Nervous Tick; TLI
If there is a speculative component to this debacle, I've suggested that someone with DEEP pockets go in and pop that bubble by selling a bunch of contracts short and gunning the stops the speculators always put in to manage risk on the downside when they're bullish. And that deep pockets trader would be someone like Billy Ray Valentine hired by the DOE, who could back short contracts with physical actuals, like from the SPR.

I was part of a scale trading partnership in the previous life and when the managers wanted to have a little fun with speculative capital they would go gunning the stops in thinly traded markets like cocoa and flaxseed oil. It was easy (relatively speaking) to slam those markets with big sell orders and trigger the stop loss orders, since anyone who could read charts and knew technical trading could tell where the stops likely were placed. Trouble here is, crude isn't exactly a thinly traded market. You'd need a huge flood of sell orders to slam the market significantly. Still, someone like DOE, with the SPR reserves backing up their short contracts, could do it. If people are worried about overspeculation, this would be a way to flush a lot of them out of the markets.

57 posted on 06/06/2008 12:51:56 PM PDT by chimera
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