Posted on 06/17/2008 6:00:53 PM PDT by freespirited
Do you have a stock answer for everything or are you getting them from the fight the smears webmasters?
Let’s all imagine for an instant that this was 2000 and the “certification” was George W. Bush’s DD 214 and it was without a doubt totally generated by a computer program as this one is.
What do any of you suppose would be the reaction of the Democrats or for that matter The McCain camp in 2000?
They would drive this issue home like the stake through the heart of a vampire.
And as well they should, the whole document reeks of fakery and deception designed to appease the masses.
What was it that Ronald Reagan said?
Trust but verify!
So where is the unamended unphotoshopped actual true copy of the original Birth certificate?
Then you are obviously a troll sent here form the Obama campaign.
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The author is saying that this is a fraudulent document meant to look like the official computer printed docs that they actually do use in HI.
“Now, whether Obama’s Certificate of Birth is real or unaltered — that’s another issue.”
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that is the author’s contention, that it is a fraudulent Certificate of birth.
So several days ago someone proved conclusively that this particular .jpeg file is in fact Obama’s birth certificate? I doubt it but you are welcome to provide a link to the definitive answer CONCERNING THIS PARTICULAR .JPEG file and the issue of how Obama’s father’s race was listed.
I think there probably are people who would not vote for him if he were an illegitimate child. Definitely not many among the younger generation, but among the older generation I think there are some.
There has to be a reason that his campaign won’t release the original birth certificate. If the media can go to court to get Jack Ryan’s divorce records unsealed, they certainly should be trying to get his birth certificate.
Since the Obama campaign hasn't claimed that it's been lost, one can logically infer that Obama has it. But the campaign has refused to release it. Within days of this becoming a controversy, this substitute appeared.
Yes, what I said is that politically correct terminology in America rapidly changed from “negro” to “black” to “African American.” But since his father was not an American, they may have just put “African.”
Or, as you say, it’s possible that they wrote “African” rather than “Kenyan” on the original. Who knows?
The dispute would be at least partly resolved if Obama would instruct the State of Hawaii to release his birth certificate directly to members of the press who request to see it. It would not be entirely resolved because apparently Hawaii has a policy of revising birth certificates after the fact. But at least it would satisfy the question of why Obama will not permit reporters to see his birth records.
Okay, so let’s concentrate on that, not the distortions around the letters. I’m pretty confident those are from a scan of a printed document.
Of course, if Fightthesmears has an image with the correctly aligned pattern and the same content, then if this is a fake, this document obviously being put out as a ‘gotch’ for Buckhead wannabees.
The really relevant one to analyse if there is something crooked going on in a coverup of some detail of Obama’s birth is the one his campaign put up.
Fishy
Interesting bit of logic there. Let me get it straight. You were born in 1961. You still have your original birth certificate. Therefore, everyone born in 1961 has their original birth certificate.
All that drama aside, do you stand by your reasoning?
There is no basis in law for a suit, before the Supreme Court or any other court, to make someone "prove" something like this.
Obama has not been chosen by the Electoral College as President-Elect. Until he is, his citizenship and birth status is of no legal significance whatsoever.
“I called HI records and conformed that these HI documents have the Signature Stamp AND an embossed/raised Seal ON THE BACK. The embossed seal is deep enough to be easily seen from the front.”
That is very interesting. Thank you for calling them.
How did this reporter “email her copy” if it the same one posted in this article that we are looking at without a certificate number? Since when does Hawaii DOH perform “email/telephone” confirmations as opposed to what is described on their website as written confirmations?
Not only is the reporter calling it a birth certificate, so is her supposed contact at DOH when it is a Certification - one would expect the official to be familiar with this distinction.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/article630058.ece
“It hit our inbox just like the chain e-mail attacks that made us want it in the first place, the final piece to a puzzle we’ve been sorting out for months. Sen. Barack Obama’s birth certificate.
“I know there have been some rumors spreading about Obama’s citizenship, so I wanted to make sure you all had a copy of his birth certificate,” Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor wrote in an e-mail.
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To verify we did have the correct document, we contacted the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records.
“It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,” spokesman Janice Okubo said after we e-mailed her our copy.
Okubo said a copy of the birth certificate was requested this month, but she wouldn’t specify by whom. But as we know from our attempts to get one in April, Hawaii law states that only family members can access such records.
Amy Hollyfield can be reached at...”
Well, I downloaded the image from Obama’s site. It’s a much lower resolution jpeg. Truth be told it looks more like what I can create with a graphics program than the higher resolution one from the Kos: when you zoom in the letters go jaggy and the background colors infiltrate the letters. The higher resolution one posted at the top of this thread looks like a scanned document when zoomed in.
It’s hard to tell at the resolution, but the border on the one from Obama’s site may have the mismatching rectangles. It certainly looks like it on the left edge when zoomed in: two rows of the dark border pixels, rather than one as it would be if the border rectangles matched correctly.
Of course, maybe the State of Hawaii created the background using a graphics program.
Could someone from Hawaii with a genuine certification of live birth please scan a copy, then photoshop out the personal information, leaving the headers (like Child’s Name. . .Date filed by Registrar) as text samples and post the result, so we can see what the border and type look like on a scanned copy of a genuine certificate?
Preferably post a few different resolution scans.
IMNSHO, there is no story here.
That can mean the FORM, LAYOUT, PAPER, ETC. is valid, not that this exact certificate is valid and all the information on it is valid.
Okubo said a copy of the birth certificate was requested this month,
The stamp date on this one is from 2007.
Basically the argument has been "Hey, bro, this thing has been scanned and changed", and, alas, that's what happens when you convert physical copy to an electronic format and then prepare that to fit on a website.
If that which you would expect to happen does seem to have happened, then it probably did happen.
I'd be really surprised if the document on the net showed different characteristics than that.
Another argument was that Hawaii was a foreign country in 1961. Although absurd on the face of it, the point was posted numerous times by different people. I doubt any of them were legitimate Freepers if you want to know the truth.
We also have claims by his brother that "Hey, he's all Moslem, Fo Sho", and I can imagine his brother doesn't particularly want to get murdered because some doufous Moslem in Kenya thinks it makes you an apostate to have Christian relatives. BTW, his brother wasn't raised with him, has a different mother and all that, and probably has very little more information about his man than that they shared a baby daddy (and there's a thread on what "baby daddy" means too).
Then there's this crazy argument about whether or not he should have been called a Negro, black, African or Raelian back in 1961. Look, I was there. I lived through it. The federales had not yet forced a monopoly on acceptable terms for race and people were free to call a spade a spade, a Jew a Hebrew, and a pig Petunia! They did so with relish. They also used a variety of other words for black people including "The N'WORD" ~ if you can imagine that. There was a period of time when "race" might be entered as "German", "Italian", "Irish" and so on. Language changes and sometimes faster than you can notice. As a certified member of the nomenklatura (a perfectly good Soviet word referring to those who decide what words mean) for most of my working career, I assure you that even as we speak there are people being paid to change the meanings of every word I have typed into this post, and within 10 years, the meaning of every item could be the opposite of how you perceive it today.
Here we are dealing with stuff done in 1961. That's when punch cards and digitek were still considered "high tech". You can get a certified "abstract" of the original document if you want. It will tell you his mother was white, his father from Africa, and he was born in Hawaii. Not much more to tell really. Babies come to us without a past you know.
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