Posted on 06/25/2008 7:58:32 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
This is not a fake document.
Obama filed with the FEC to run for president months ago. The FEC, which explicitly employes lawyers from both major parties (and maybe smaller ones, I’m not sure) then verified that he met all the requirements for office.
Here’s where you can find out all about the requirements.
http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/candregis.shtml
If anyone thinks that there is a question of validity, they should complain to the FEC and they will be happy to follow up.
The only evidence that I’ve seen is that Hawaii changed the style of paper that they use to print birth certificates. Since every birth certificate that I’ve ever gotten has been different (and I’ve had to get a few copys for both myself and my son over the years), this surprises me not at all.
Isn't that precisely what we want done?
After the November election (assuming Obama wins), some person or group would have to file a motion or law suit on the grounds that Obama is not eligiable. He would then have to prove that he meets the Constitutional requirements for office. If he cannot do that, then he is ineligiable. The Electoral College would then pick somebody else. Since a majority of them would be Democrats, then Obama’s running mate or some other significant Democrat could get the nod. Presumably, the Democrats would get their act together and determine one person to put up before the College in order to avoid having the election go to the House (where each state delegation casts one vote).
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This is a reply that I posted to Pissants latest thread on this blatant forgery by the Obamination thugs.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2036197/posts?page=33#33
To: pissant
As I have posted before, there are 3 things that say Beware of Lying Skunk with his so called birth certificate:
1. The lack of the embossed seal on the certificate as noted in this statement: According to Koret, Janice Okubo, Director of Communications of the State of Hawaii Department of Health made clear that no birth certification, or certification of live birth is transmitted electronically, and that all certificates of live birth contain an embossed seal and registrars signature on the back of the document.
2. The blacked out number, is nothing but bs.
3. Was the word African used to describe his fathers race in 1961? If so his father might have been a white South African or whatever.
His handlers and MSM abettors knew about this serious problem, and that is why the Compost and others tried to raise doubts about McCain being an American a month or so earlier.
Sorry, read FEC Form 2, san`t find it.
http://www.fec.gov/pdf/forms/fecfrm2.pdf
Could you post the specific form?
*can`t
If Barack Hussein Obama was born to Ann Dunham in Hawaii in 1961, there is no question that he is a natural-born American citizen since Ann Dunham was an American citizen and Hawaii has been an American possession since 1898. If Obama was born outside of the United States or any of its outlying possessions, the following statute (which became law on October 25, 1994) applies to him and indicates that he is a natural-born American citizen from the point of view of U.S. law:
a. As amended by Public Law 103-416 on October 25, 1994, section 301 states as follows with respect to persons born abroad:b. Sec. 301. The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
...
g. a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (59 Stat. 669; 22 U.S.C. 288) by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date;
Note that this condition applies retroactively to Obama, as the following condition shows:
l. RETROACTIVE APPLICATION:(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), the immigration and nationality laws of the United States shall be applied (to persons born before, on, or after the date of the enactment of this Act) as though the amendment made by subsection (a), and subsection (b), had been in effect as of the date of their birth, except that the retroactive application of the amendment and that subsection shall not affect the validity of citizenship of anyone who has btained citizenship under section 1993 of the Revised Statutes (as in effect before the enactment of the Act of May 24, 1934 (48 Stat. 797)).(2) The retroactive application of the amendment made by subsection (a), and subsection (b), shall not confer citizenship on, or affect the validity of any denaturalization, deportation or exclusion action against, any person who is or was excludable from the United States under section 212(a)(3)(E) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1182 (a)(3)(E)) (or predecessor provision) or who was excluded from, or who would not have been eligible for admission to, the United States under the Displaced Persons 1948 or under section 14 of the Refugee Relief Act of 1953.
This information comes from pp. 15-17 of the following U.S. State Department document:
7 FAM 1130
ACQUISITION OF U.S. CITIZENSHIP BY
BIRTH ABROAD TO U.S. CITIZEN PARENTwhich is available in PDF format here:
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86757.pdfIn order to show that Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen, somebody is going to have to show that one of the following conditions is true:
(1) Obama is not the son of Ann Dunham;(2) Obama is the son of Ann Dunham, but Ann Dunham was not an American citizen at the time of Obama's birth;
(3) Obama is the son of Ann Dunham and Ann Dunham was an American citizen at the time of Obama's birth, but Ann Dunham did not satisfy the residency requirement of condition (g) necessary for conferring natural-born citizenship on her offspring (that is, five years physical residence in the United States or any of its outlying possessions, at least two years of which were after attaining the age of fourteen).
According to the information I've seen, none of these conditions is true. Hence I conclude that, as things now stand, U.S. law recognizes Barack Obama as a natural-born U.S. citizen, and so he is eligible to run for the Presidency.
Now this is all separate and apart from the issue whether the document posted on Obama's website is genuine or not. I don't know anything about that. I've addressed only the question of Obama's natural-born citizen status.
John, you've run for office. Can you tell us what documents you were required to submit to prove you were:
INTREP
As I read this, it applies to citizens who have served in the military, or govt. Where do you see that this applies to a 18 student living in Hawaii who gives birth to a boy in Kenya?
“Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (59 Stat. 669; 22 U.S.C. 288) by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; “
Doesn’t this clearly show that “provided” the citizen is in the military, govt or other recognized international employment.
As I read this, it applies to citizens who have served in the military, or govt. Where do you see that this applies to a 18 student living in Hawaii who gives birth to a boy in Kenya?
nikos, we've been over that!! (laugh) That proviso about the military or government service is to insure that if some citizen is serving outside of U.S. soil or the soil of its outlying possessions, that service will not be taken to invalidate the natural-born status of his/her offspring because of the residency requirement. It's an 'out' for military and government personnel, to insure that their kids born overseas aren't denied natural-born status. It does NOT say that if a citizen is NOT serving in a military or government capacity, then that citizen can't give birth overseas to a natural-born citizen; all those folks have to do is meet the residencey requirement as stated in the condition.
It's legal jargon and somewhat confusing, I'll grant, but that's the meaning.
For “residencey requirement” please read “residency requirement” in the penultimate line of my post #94.
I’ll take your word for it...but you must admit there are some people thinking differently.
My point, and you know this, is that the man has been deceptive and out right lying about his birth and pedigree. He wrote the account in his bio. The fact may be that he was NOT born here.
I think the American public needs to know this, and decide if they still want to vote for him.
Also, there appears to be a closer bond between him and his African roots than he has previously admitted too.
Clearly, he’s moving to the center to get elected. Even Quaddafi, Libya, said yesterday that Obama is a Muslim and is probably lying about it to get elected, as if lying in that regard is okay for those people.
“John, you’ve run for office. Can you tell us what documents you were required to submit to prove you were:”
No. This is where John refers you to his lawyer. Rest assured, though, that John has a lawyer, and the John made sure that he was eligible to run before he spent several hundred million dollars and months of effort trying to win office.
Look at it this way. John McCain is about to spend >$100M to prevent Obama from becoming president. It would cost a few thousand to get a judge to verify the birth certificate. Don’t you think that, if there was anything to this story, the McCain camp would be all over it? For that matter, don’t you think that Clinton would have been all over it?
If the certificate is fake, then the obama camp has committed felony fraud, which would destroy any chance of him winning the race, and demonstrating that fraud is less expensive the running national ads in college newspapers. If it was a fraud, we would know, and not because some random blogger decides that JPEG compression artifacts are evidence of tampering.
All this demonstrates is that people here are willing to believe anything
BINGO. Excellent point. Section 301 states ".....Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (59 Stat. 669; 22 U.S.C. 288) by....." PROVIDED is the key word here.
Of course this is besides the point that the birth certificate Obama has put out is definitely a forgery. It does not have an embossed seal. EVERY valid birth certificate MUST have an embossed seal on it from every state. I know this....I deal with birth certificates in my genealogical research. If a certificate does not have a raised and embossed seal on it, its invalid, end of story. When you try to get a passport you will be specifically asked to provide a birth certificate with a raised seal on it. When you apply for a visa, again, it HAS to have a raised and embossed seal. I know this also...my daughter works overseas for the U.S. State Department. If your birth certificate does not have an embossed and raised seal on it (which I've seen some posters state) then you do not have a VALID or CERTIFIED copy and you need to go to or write to your County health department and get one that does have this raised seal.
So the question is.......WHY is Obama putting out an INVALID birth certificate as a valid one???? WHAT is he hiding????? Anything else regarding rules, sections, laws, etc., is besides the point. Why the fake? Why the forgery??? What does he gain by doing this????
This is huge.
Ill take your word for it...but you must admit there are some people thinking differently.
Yep.
My point, and you know this, is that the man has been deceptive and out right lying about his birth and pedigree. He wrote the account in his bio. The fact may be that he was NOT born here.
That's a different issue altogether, of course. If he's actively lying about the circumstances of his birth, I would agree that that's something that should be made known to all voters.
Also, there appears to be a closer bond between him and his African roots than he has previously admitted too.Clearly, hes moving to the center to get elected. Even Quaddafi, Libya, said yesterday that Obama is a Muslim and is probably lying about it to get elected, as if lying in that regard is okay for those people.
His cousin is definitely a radical muslim, and that's not something to be casual about. Of course, that doesn't imply that Obama is one, but it's worrying all the same.
There's no IF. It does NOT have a raised and embossed seal. A true certificate issued by the State of Hawaii would have this......read the article again. Even IF all the information is accurate the lack of that raised seal makes it an invalid copy and will NOT be accepted if you try to get a passport or visa.
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