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Lock and Load [NY Times Double Bag Barf Alert]
New York Times ^ | June 27, 2008

Posted on 06/27/2008 5:09:33 AM PDT by Zakeet

Thirty-thousand Americans are killed by guns every year — on the job, walking to school, at the shopping mall. The Supreme Court on Thursday all but ensured that even more Americans will die senselessly with its wrongheaded and dangerous ruling striking down key parts of the District of Columbia’s gun-control law.

In a radical break from 70 years of Supreme Court precedent, Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the majority, declared that the Second Amendment guarantees individuals the right to bear arms for nonmilitary uses, even though the amendment clearly links the right to service in a “militia.” The ruling will give gun-rights advocates a powerful new legal tool to try to strike down gun-control laws across the nation.

This is a decision that will cost innocent lives, cause immeasurable pain and suffering and turn America into a more dangerous country. It will also diminish our standing in the world, sending yet another message that the United States values gun rights over human life.

There already is a national glut of firearms: estimates run between 193 million and 250 million guns. The harm they do is constantly on heartbreaking display. Thirty-three dead last year in the shootings at Virginia Tech. Six killed this year at Northern Illinois University.

On Wednesday, as the court was getting ready to release its decision, a worker in a Kentucky plastics plant shot his supervisor, four co-workers and himself to death.

Cities and states have tried to stanch the killing with gun-control laws. The District of Columbia, which has one of the nation’s highest crime rates, banned the possession of nearly all handguns and required that other firearms be stored unloaded and disassembled, or bound with a trigger lock.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; armedcitizen; banglist; ccw; democrats; elections; guncontrol; guns; heller; rkba; scotus; secondamendment; shallnotbeinfringed
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To: bert
"Detroit, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, Washington, Atlanta, Cleveland, Buffalo, Newark ad infinitum. The number is largely feral urban criminals"

Shouldn't we just withdraw from those areas?

81 posted on 06/27/2008 6:26:20 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president! (it ain't over 'til it's over))
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To: Hacklehead
The “damage” done by guns is insignificant compared to that done by the NYT due to it’s ability to hide behind the 1st ammendment.

And I submit that the cost in lives, by the NY Times steadfast support of the lies of Walter Durante during the 1930s, straight through to today, as well as their blatant disregard for national security in their publishing of stories, is far greater than the number of lives lost through the criminal misuse of guns during the same time. How many millions of lives were lost due to the willful propaganda of Joseph Stalin by the NY Times?

The NY Times has FAR more blood on their hands.

Mark

82 posted on 06/27/2008 6:26:20 AM PDT by MarkL (Al Gore: The Greenhouse Gasbag! (heard on Bob Brinker's Money Talk))
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To: Be_Politically_Erect

Yep I hear you they run around and talk about what make them feel good but nothing that has to do with reality.


83 posted on 06/27/2008 6:27:53 AM PDT by MES401067
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To: Slapshot68
Liberals thinks that because we don’t have militias anymore, that removes the reasoning behind the right for individuals to bear arms.

We DO have militias in places where people don't want to depend on the government for protection. People train together with their own firearms and come together as a "militia" if needed.

Militias and armed citizens kept the peace right after Katrina in many places outside New Orleans.

84 posted on 06/27/2008 6:28:27 AM PDT by varyouga ("Rove is some mysterious God of politics & mind control" - DU 10-24-06)
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To: Zakeet

Gun control is a scam. The people who want gun control are also the people who don’t want the criminal punished for the crime. So the gun control people put the blame on the gun.


85 posted on 06/27/2008 6:29:34 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Does Obama know ANYONE who likes America, capitalism, or white people?)
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To: Eddie01
I still don’t have a good answer as to why “intellectuals” are against Liberty.

Some people live in abject fear of their fellow citizens and desire the protection of the state in place of personal responsibility and judgment, or simply desire power over others, and achieve it by excusing criminal behavior on one hand while criminalizing honest behavior on the other.

Liberals routinely set free or defend the guilty because it gives them a sense of power. It also creates a criminal environment that serves as a pretext for the expansion of state power they crave. On the other hand, honest people cannot be so easily ruled, so laws are multiplied to make them into criminals for the greater benefit of the ruling class of liberal elitists.

Finally, there are those (found most commonly in Academia, but elsewhere, too) who have made it their project to destroy our culture and our way of life in order to impose their own vision of Utopia. What better way to achieve that end than by supporting policies that subvert the rule of law, while imposing laws that are ill-defined, ineffective, and unenforceable?

86 posted on 06/27/2008 6:29:44 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Peace is Not The Question.)
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To: WayneS

Its called LIBRALISM its a mental sickness.


87 posted on 06/27/2008 6:30:41 AM PDT by MES401067
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To: Zakeet
Thirty-thousand Americans are killed by guns every year — on the job, walking to school, at the shopping mall.

Overwhelmingly in areas where carrying guns is banned.

88 posted on 06/27/2008 6:35:29 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: coloradan
the “gateway drowner.”

Har!! Good one.

89 posted on 06/27/2008 6:36:10 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: Tribune7
Actually it is worse than just body guards:

Dianne Feinstein now:

"I am profoundly disappointed in Justice Roberts and Justice Alito, both of whom assured us of their respect for precedent. With this decision, 70 years of precedent has gone out the window. And I believe the people of this great country will be less safe because of it." — Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.

Source

Dianne Feinstein in 1995:

"And, I know the sense of helplessness that people feel. I know the urge to arm yourself because that's what I did. I was trained in firearms. I'd walk to the hospital when my husband was sick. I carried a concealed weapon. I made the determination that if somebody was going to try to take me out, I was going to take them with me."

Source

Also see:

Gun Control Hypocrites: Senators Schumer and Feinstein Pack Heat

90 posted on 06/27/2008 6:36:46 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: DustyMoment
... especially (as in the case of the Battle of Lexington, IIRC), the Gov't JBTs are about to seize the central armory...

And we know what happened in that case.

91 posted on 06/27/2008 6:37:36 AM PDT by castlebrew (Gun control means hitting where you intended to!)
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To: Zakeet
Thirty-thousand Americans are killed by guns every year

I absolutely DEFY the New Jerk Times to prove this statement and provide evidence that most if not all of the deaths are caused by "legal weapons". Prove it, put up or shut up.
92 posted on 06/27/2008 6:59:22 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

There ARE militias today. They just aren’t visible, unless the media is trying to demonize them.


93 posted on 06/27/2008 7:00:49 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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To: Tribune7

You have to wonder if Pinch Sulzberger has a security detail. After all, he is running a multi-national corporation (into the ground!). If he does have one, do they carry wiffle ball bats? Nerf Rockets? Cell phones with 911 on speed dial?


94 posted on 06/27/2008 7:02:54 AM PDT by Sociopathocracy (Ad majorem Dei gloriam)
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To: DustyMoment
"Correct, but not for the reasons you list."

I'll simply have to disagree with you on that. What I wrote in whole was correct. What I didn't write was, and what you wrote, about the central reason of the 2nd Amendment.

95 posted on 06/27/2008 7:06:32 AM PDT by avacado
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To: Sociopathocracy
You have to wonder if Pinch Sulzberger has a security detail

I would be surprised if he didn't or live in some gated community with a private security force.

96 posted on 06/27/2008 7:07:43 AM PDT by Tribune7 (How is inflicting pain and death on an innocent, helpless human being for profit, moral?)
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To: ravingnutter

Great info. Thanks.


97 posted on 06/27/2008 7:08:14 AM PDT by Tribune7 (How is inflicting pain and death on an innocent, helpless human being for profit, moral?)
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To: MarkL

Which begs the point, why do we repost ANYTHING from the NYTs? Let them die.


98 posted on 06/27/2008 7:12:26 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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To: Zakeet
Thirty-thousand Americans are killed by guns every year — on the job, walking to school, at the shopping mall.

Ummm, doesn't this statement tell us that criminals have had as many guns as they've wanted? And for YEARS?

The SC decision puts some guns in the hands of potential victims. And the New York Times objects?

The New York Times wants the bad guys to be armed and only the bad guys? Creepy - really creepy.

99 posted on 06/27/2008 7:14:15 AM PDT by GOPJ (Hypocrisy doesnÂ’t apply to liberals. (according to the MSM) FreeperProud2BeRight)
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To: Zakeet
Thirty-thousand Americans are killed by guns every year — on the job, walking to school, at the shopping mall.

Ummm, doesn't this statement tell us that criminals have had as many guns as they've wanted? And for YEARS?

The SC decision puts some guns in the hands of potential victims. And the New York Times objects?

The New York Times wants the bad guys to be armed and only the bad guys? Creepy - really creepy.

100 posted on 06/27/2008 7:14:27 AM PDT by GOPJ (Hypocrisy doesnÂ’t apply to liberals. (according to the MSM) FreeperProud2BeRight)
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