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Posted on 06/28/2008 12:20:21 PM PDT by FocusNexus
The "birth certificate" claimed by the Barack Obama campaign is not certified as authentic and appears to be a photoshopped fake.
Embossed seal of the State of Hawaii absent from the purported "birth certificate" of Barack Obama
Janice Okubo, Director of Communications of the State of Hawaii Department of Health, told Israel Insider: "At this time there are no circumstances in which the State of Hawaii Department of Health would issue a birth certification or certification of live birth only electronically." And, she added, "In the State of Hawaii all certified copies of certificates of live birth have the embossed seal and registrar signature on the back of the document."
So if he were registered as being born in Hawaii, Barack Obama -- because only he or another member of his immediate family could by law request a "Certification of Live Birth" -- must have a certified paper copy, with embossed stamp and seal, or he could request one. But what his campaign has put forward as genuine, according to the senior spokesman in the relevant department of the State of Hawaii, is not in fact a certified copy. It is not valid.
The Obama campaign, however, continues to flaunt the unstamped, unsealed, uncertified document -- notably in very low resolution -- on its "Fight the Smears" website, with campaign officials vowing that it's authentic, sending the image around as "proof" to reporters, and inviting supporters to refer to it as they battle against supposed distortions and calumnies against their candidate. However, the campaign refuses to produce an authentic original birth certificate from the year of Obama's birth, or even a paper version with seal and signature of the "Certification of Live Birth." Nor has it even published an electronic copy with the requisite embossed seal and signature.
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He threw his white grand-ma under the bus, but has anyone heard from his mother? It would not be surprising if he was born in Africa. I’m sure Hillary’s people are working on this and hopefully the FBI as well.
I think that the base hospital is the key. If he was not born on base, you would have to apply for the citizenship papers, which would only be a formality, but still necessary.
As I mentioned in another post, my husband’s brother-in-law was born in Cuba, while his father was working for the state department and his parents never filed the paperwork, so he never had to register for the draft. He does have a passport, though. I guess, having a father in the State Dept. helps.
“analysis?” Not so much.
What you’re looking at is a 585x575 JPEG image. JPEG uses a recursive approximation of fine details like that, unlike GIF or PNG.
Complain that they should put a higher resolution non-JPEG image up, and I’d agree.
But if you’re trying to prove that the ‘fuzzy’ edges around the letters are proof of editing/’photoshopping’, then FAIL.
As you can see, these ‘approximation ripples’ are seen on all the text.
It’s an artifact of taking the scanned bitmap and exporting it to a low-res JPEG.
Apparently Obama’s grandfather was something of an oddball. He wanted a boy so he insisted on giving his daughter a boy’s name. This is the same grandfather who refused to drive grandmother to work when she expressed concern about an aggressive black panhandler who kept demanding money from her at the bus stop. Instead, he told young Barack that grandma was only fearful because the panhandler was black.
Kenya.
There purports to be a Guardian interview over two years ago with the "grandmother" and two half-siblings in which they claim to have been present at his birth in Kenya.
Today's news at gaywired.com quoting an update to a Wayne Madsen report is that an investigative team researching Obama's history in Africa has found "a certificate registering the birth of Barack Obama, Jr. to his father, a Kenyan citizen, and mother, an American citizen" in Mombasa.
There is an extensive thread earlier this week documenting the deficiencies in the Hawaii Birth Certificate argument. The Certificate actually posted by the Obama campaign is clearly fraudulent on its face.
No witnesses have appeared in connection with a widely publicized claimed birth in 1961. There is no hospital record of the claimed birth. News media of the era published birth records as vital statistics--Obama's birth does not appear. One of the hospitals claimed as a birth location was built after the claimed birth date.
The legal on this question works like this. The US Constitution says specifically that to be eligible to be elected President of the US, a person must be a "natural born" US citizen.
There has been significant discussion about citizenship statutes which provide that a person born outside the US to two US citizens becomes a citizen at birth without a naturalization proceeding; another provision is that a person born outside the US with a single US citizen parent (and a non-citizen parent) becomes a citizen at birth without a naturalization proceeding but only if the US parent had resided in the US for ten years prior to the birth, at least five of which ten years were after such US parent had reached the age of 21.
Obama's only claim under the naturalization statute would fail because his mother, only 18 when he was born, could not, by definition, have met the five years after 21 requirement. Absent a naturalization proceeding, if he were born outside the US, Obama may not even be a US Citizen at all.
Constitutional historical documents make it clear that the drafters (natural born citizen) meant born in the actual territory of the US.
As pointed out by Ted Olson in a legal memo addressed to the John McCain citizenship issue, the Constitutional requirement is not subject to definition by Congress--the "natural born citizen" requirement is a Constitutional question--the fact that a person might qualify to avoid naturalization is irrelevant.
As Olson pointed out, even the McCain qualification is in doubt. Sure, Senator McCain is a citizen under the naturalization statutes. But that has no bearing on the question of whether he meets the Constitutional test which in my own view, he does not.
If this issue ever gets to the table, assuming the facts demonstrate that Obama was born in Kenya, in my opinion, neither one of the presumed nominees meets the Constitutional qualification requirement.
Not necessarily. On my kids' birth certificates only my maiden name is listed. That's the way it's done here in NJ.
I have a strong feeling that he can't. If this copy does not totally agree with a certified, or the original, he has some explaining to do. I think he put his foot in it again. Very, very simular to Kerry.
It doesn't really look like a copy. If you copied my grandson's (born in HI) the border would be much darker. The background is also off some too.
Not so. Lots of people are questioning his citizenship.
On its face, the published certificate is a fake and there is no evidence of any character anywhere that has appeared that he was in fact born in the US.
A very early interview of relatives in Kenya supports the proposition he was born there. If he was, he misses the Constitutional qualification of "natural born citizen" and he misses the citizenship statute unless he has been the subject of a naturalization proceeding.
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This is not what appears to have happened here. The same artifact does not appear around other text (as I displayed in the JUN 6 2007 (reversed) section that does not have the distortion evident that occurs when merging image objects together, and neither does the background pattern.)
The JUN 6 2007 was obviously part of the scanned document, and shows no image distortion.
A few facets of this claim immediately jump out as being far-fetched: first, that a sitting U.S. Senator who has already spent a good deal of time and money securing his party's nomination for the presidency would suddenly be discovered as ineligible due to an obscure provision of U.S. law;
How much time and energy already spent is irrelevant. So is the "obscure" nature of the law. The law is the law.
and second, that U.S. law would essentially penalize someone who would otherwise qualify for natural-born citizenship status simply because his mother was too young.
Again, the law is the law. For example: the 14th Amendment allows anchor babies, in spite of the law's original intent of granting citizenship to slaves. The law is the law.
The fact is, the qualifications listed in the example quoted above are moot because they refer to someone who was born outside the United States. Since Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, they do not apply to him.
The linchpin of the Snopes refutation is what is in dispute. There has never been legitimate documentation of BO having been born in Hawaii. Snopes just takes BO's word on it.
I am not so sure McCain is different.
Nothing in the Constitution about considering foreign military bases "US soil". The founders wouldn't have thought so.
The issue came up in connection with Barry Goldwater in 1964. He was born in the territory of Arizona.
The issue was never resolved by legal process. The only argument that appeared to have merit was that the territory was ultimately incorporated in the US. Panama was not.
Like good ol’ hound dogs, keep following the trail FReepers. Many want to “move on”. Nope, not until you reach the absolute end of the trails. There are reasons for a blacked out number, no seal and other details. I have family members that double-checked their replaced BCs when this became an issue and they are all certified, stamped, impressed seals. They may be “new and slick” photocopies but they are certified as being such.
Something is wrong, why? I would be proud to show my BC with my cute footprints on it, I mean doggone, what a deal, no?
No, there’s too much about this guy that’s phony so let’s help him out by proving that he’s a valid candidate right? Charge on...that’s how you guys uncovered Burkett. Outstanding.
Nobody is questioning his citizenship.
Actually, a lot of us are.
If it's not legitimate and he is elected President, then what? Shouldn't we know the facts BEFORE the election?
(I'm not leaning either way at this point, just asking.)
Snopes sets up a straw man, then knocks it down. Whoopee!
Legally, that is absolutely correct.
No seal = not a certificate--period; for any purpose.
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