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McCain's bravery, as seen by one man imprisoned with him
Herald-Mail ^ | July 19, 2008 | James H. Warner

Posted on 07/19/2008 9:37:39 AM PDT by vietvet67

"Well, I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president." That was retired Gen. Wesley Clark's condescending assessment of John McCain's military service. Clark's words have great weight because he was speaking as a key political/military advisor to Barack Obama.

If Gen. Clark had been talking about me, his remarks might be true. After all, I rode in a fighter plane and got shot down over North Vietnam. In no way do Clark's words apply to McCain. I know, because I was a firsthand witness to his singular leadership and courage. In the years I spent as a POW in North Vietnam, I saw McCain inspire and lead under trying circumstances that Gen. Clark has not the imagination to understand.

As for the role of a president, I was fortunate enough to serve as a domestic policy advisor to President Ronald Reagan. Seeing him in action, and seeing John McCain in action, I know they are equals in character, ability and political courage.

I met John McCain in a POW camp in Vietnam. He told me his father and grandfather read history every evening. Since our release, I have done the same. From my study of history I know what we need in a leader.

Great leaders have an undefinable quality: Call it charisma. Young Winston Churchill once wrote to his mother, "We are all worms, but I am a glowworm." And so it proved. John McCain, too, is a "glowworm." You cannot help but notice him.

Gen. George C. Marshall, Army chief of staff during World War II, said, "The first thing a leader needs is courage." Churchill had courage. As a cavalry officer in the British army, Churchill left garrison duty to go where the action was. During his army career he was several times under hostile fire and conducted two daring and famous rescues. The second rescue came when he was a war correspondent covering the Boer War in 1899. It led to his capture as a prisoner of war. He escaped and after several adventures reached safety in Portuguese Mozambique. The story made him a world-wide hero and helped get him elected to Parliament.

When he became Prime Minister in World War II, all looked bleak. After the surrender of France there were some who thought that Britain could not carry on alone and should negotiate a peace with Hitler. But Churchill would not quit. He fought on until, as he said, "In God's good time, the new world comes to the rescue of the old."

McCain, like Churchill, has courage. McCain, like Churchill, stood strong when all looked bleak. My friend, Col. Jack Van Loan, was in a cell from which he could see several senior Communist officers, along with an interpreter and men with a stretcher, enter McCain's cell. He knew that John was immobilized by his wounds. He heard them offer McCain early release and heard John answer that he would go home when we all go home.

He heard the voices of the officers rising until they were shouting angrily at McCain and threatening him. This was followed by a stream of obscenities from McCain and the rapid exit of the senior officers. John told them never again to try to get him to accept early release. He was defiant at a time that he was physically helpless, unable even to crawl on his own.

In the spring of 1971, I personally witnessed John McCain's courage. After the attempted rescue of POWs at the camp at Son Tay, in November of 1970, almost all Americans were moved to Hoa Lo prison in Hanoi, the infamous "Hanoi Hilton." The communists felt so threatened by the raid that, for the first time, they concentrated us in large cells, with as many as 60 men to a cell.

One of the first things we did was to institute regular religious services in our cells. On Jan. 1, 1971, we were told that all religious activity was forbidden. This led to a long series of increasingly hostile confrontations that someone has labeled "the Church Riots." I was in a cell next to McCain's. In early March, the four senior men in his cell were removed and for some time we lost contact with them. Then the four senior men in my cell were removed, and we lost contact with them, also. The confrontations rapidly escalated. On the evening of March 18 there was a confrontation that almost descended to guards shooting mutinous POWs. The communists were now afraid of losing control.

My recollection is that John McCain was now the senior man in his cell. In any case, I know that he was deeply involved with what followed. The senior men in our two cells kept us under tight control, but carefully staged demonstrations of our anger over the religious ban and the removal of our cell mates. On March 19, St. Joseph's Day, the day after the dangerous confrontation, I remember the men in McCain's room singing, at the top of their lungs, first "the Battle Hymn of the Republic," then "Onward Christian Soldiers." This was not merely courage, but exquisite leadership to get men to show open defiance when it was clear that there would be retaliation. The only question was in what form and how harsh that retaliation would be. Remember that all of these men had been tortured and knew to what lengths the enemy was willing to go to maintain control.

Courage alone, however, is not sufficient. A great leader also needs greatness of spirit. Again, I turn to Churchill, who never held a grudge and was prepared to be gracious and magnanimous toward a defeated foe. When McCain led church services, he prayed for the enemy who had tortured him. I have observed Ronald Reagan in the White House and I have observed McCain in the Hanoi Hilton. I have seen that McCain, like Churchill, like Reagan, has courage, prudence, and magnanimity. That is why he is qualified to be president, even if he hadn't ridden in a fighter plane and gotten shot down.

James H. Warner is a retired attorney. He was a policy advisor to President Ronald Reagan from 1985 until 1989. He was a Marine officer in Vietnam and was held as a POW, in North Vietnam, for five and a half years.


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To: rabscuttle385
Let’s not forget how the GOP formed in the aftermath of the death of the Whig Party, one hundred and fifty years ago, give or take

It's hard to forget. My family was there and helped form it: Free Land, Free Labor, Free Men. We formed it to stop the Southern malignancy from spreading. It wasn't long before we had to come acallin' with lessons on how to treat your fellow man. Been back a time or two since. Little Rock hosted the 82nd Airborne while Eisenhower was President. Then we sent some lawyers, lots of lawyers. I bet ya'all enjoyed their company.

Don't worry, we'll be around awhile yet. Matter of fact we enjoyed our little vacations so much we just may drop in one of these days.

61 posted on 07/19/2008 12:32:27 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP!)
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To: rabscuttle385
There is one thing you should never do and that is to impugn a POW.

While I'll NEVER impugn what a POW went through, I'll never agree that that alone makes him fit to be CIC. To say because one suffered in war as a POW, he should be CIC is akin to saying because one almost electrocuted himself plugging in the toaster, he should be an electrical engineer; because he was injured shaving, he should be a brain surgeon; because he once had to write a 'Thank You' note to his grandparents, he's automatically a candiate for The Nobel Prize in literature. etc.

62 posted on 07/19/2008 12:46:51 PM PDT by E. Cartman (Just say "No" to mug-whores.)
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To: rabscuttle385
If it can’t be saved, then put it out of its misery, and start fresh.

IOW, to vote for MacCain is to give the GOP another cyanide tablet?

63 posted on 07/19/2008 12:48:46 PM PDT by E. Cartman (Just say "No" to mug-whores.)
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To: MARTIAL MONK

WTF?


64 posted on 07/19/2008 12:54:49 PM PDT by Baron OBeef Dip
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
And I'd suggest that a divorce after a forced 5 year separation during which both parties suffered severe physical injuries and emotional trauma says absolutely nothing negative about the character of either husband or wife.

McCain was married to Carol for eight years after he returned home from Vietnam. When he met a younger, richer woman that could help advance his lust for power and the presidency, he kicked her to the curb (after years of reported infidelities).

I think that says a lot about character. But you're entitled to your opinion.

65 posted on 07/19/2008 1:14:33 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: ErnBatavia
Comparing McCain to Reagan and Churchill is a bit over the top, IMO...

McCain demonstrated more personal courage than either Reagan or Churchill were ever required to. McCain is not likely to approach even remotely the greatness that Reagan or Churchill exhibited as political leaders. Personal courage is a quality that should be taken into account when picking a political leader. It shows steadfastness in the face of pressure, which is helpful in the event that a leader needs to go against the prevailing opinion of the masses or the elites.

Not every leader has had the opportunity (or misfortune) to be required to demonstrate his courage. Lincoln had no military experience, Reagan very little. Good conservatives like Jim DeMint, Fred Thompson or Bobby Jindal may have had little or no military experience, and probably could not match McCain for courage in the face of bodily danger. But they would make better Presidents than McCain, because policy positions and steadfastness in the face of political pressure is more important in a leader than raw courage. You should have courage, but it should be courage in your convictions. And the convictions need to be worthy. Otherwise, we could just search the nation for the bravest soldier, firefighter or cop and annoint him President. But then, we might end up with Jim Webb, George McGovern, Bob Kerry or Jim Stockdale as President. We're not looking for a courageous idiot, we're looking for someone who can lead us away from socialism. McCain may be better than Obama, but a Churchill or Reagan, he is not. The two things are different.

John McCain, I salute your conduct as a POW. You are a man among men. Why did you cut Phil Gramm loose so fast if you are so fearless?

66 posted on 07/19/2008 1:38:44 PM PDT by Defiant (It pains my brain to vainly vote McCain.)
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To: Defiant
McCain is also an adulterer. Would anyone who loves this country push for amnesty and other perks for illegal aliens? Amnesty is a sell-out of this country. McCain is also responsible for CFR. Have you looked into his record regarding the POW/MIA issues?
67 posted on 07/19/2008 1:47:39 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: calcowgirl
When he met a younger, richer woman that could help advance his lust for power and the presidency, he kicked her to the curb (after years of reported infidelities).

This is your interpretation, and it's a remarkably uncharitable one. I don't know if you knew the McCains personally, but even close friends of couples who divorce never really know both sides of the story. Even the children usually don't. The only people who know everything about the breakup of a marriage are the husband and the wife - and that's why it's unwise to make judgements about the character of those whose only "crime" was to divorce their spouse.
68 posted on 07/19/2008 3:41:25 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: vietvet67

God bless you, sir.


69 posted on 07/19/2008 3:41:59 PM PDT by johnwcassell (Author of seven novels on life in the American Cultural Revolution [1960's and 70's].)
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To: vietvet67

I’d rather support a Vet with scars than a Lawyer with makeup and lighting.


70 posted on 07/19/2008 5:50:48 PM PDT by hford02 (Drill here, drill now. Make the polar bears find their own.)
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To: rabscuttle385

I’m with you on the republican meltdown, the RINO’s that they have become... but I think voting for him would only encourage them.

I plan to pull NO lever for Pres. and then straight Republican for congress.

the more I think about it the more I believe it is time for some election reform. Bill clintoon got elected with little over 40% of the vote. That means 60% voted AGAINST him, but were split between Bush and Perot.

I would be in favor of a run-off election between the top two.


71 posted on 07/24/2008 6:20:55 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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