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Why China is No Longer a Communist Country
The China Teaching Web ^ | 7/24/2008 | Robert Vance

Posted on 07/25/2008 2:46:56 AM PDT by robertvance

While Mao’s body has been amazingly preserved since his death in 1976, it seems that his spirit has not survived the test of time. He may lie in eternal peace inside his Mausoleum but the world around him has changed considerably; China is no longer the gray and drab country that it was during Mao’s time. It is now a place where people can dream and then go out and make that dream come true. It is not like the old days. People other than just high government officials can drive cars. Chinese people can do business and store up wealth for themselves. Peasants can go to the university now; finding food to eat is no longer such a grave concern. Just around the corner from where Chairman Mao lies in State, the American restaurant chain McDonald’s is full of Chinese people enjoying greasy food and a cool environment. Inside homes, people can watch Western movies on DVD and even occasionally on state owned television. The world is just a mouse click away for the millions of Chinese people who have access to the Internet. Friends and family are no longer afraid of discussing politics with each other. It is even acceptable to criticize the government behind closed doors. All this is happening as Chairman Mao sleeps peacefully at Tiananmen Square. If only he knew.

(Excerpt) Read more at teachabroadchina.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2008olympics; boycottchina; boycottolympics; ccp; china; communism; fascism; mao; olympics; redchina
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To: compound w
China is somewhere around #1-2; the US is on #6-7.

1. from bondage to spiritual faith;
2. from spiritual faith to great courage;
3. from courage to liberty;
4. from liberty to abundance;
5. from abundance to complacency;
6. from complacency to apathy;
7. from apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage

21 posted on 07/25/2008 4:10:35 AM PDT by semantic
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To: robertvance
One party controls everything with no free and fair elections. There may be no descent! Commie Bastards
22 posted on 07/25/2008 4:20:10 AM PDT by WellyP (How much does Huma know?)
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To: robertvance
Mao’s body has been amazingly preserved since his death in 1976

There's getting to be a cottage industry in preserving the mummies of tinhorn communists. First Lenin, then Stalin, now Mao.

23 posted on 07/25/2008 4:21:59 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: robertvance

Who cares? They are still murderous scumbags that intend to go to war with us at their earliest possibility. And all the while we are emasculating our military by eliminating capabilities right and left, practically shuttering our Navy, not building new air forces and weapons, etc.

China is filled with murderers and they are our enemy.

So, who cares if they are still commie murderers?


24 posted on 07/25/2008 4:32:00 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: compound w

What I would expect from someone living there.

Repeat the party line.

P. S. Did you sell your first born? How did you afford the tax for your second child you kept? Or are you childless as your government nearly forces.

P. P. S. Enjoy it now the Olympics will be over soon enough then protesters will once again be shot and the internet heavily censored once again.


25 posted on 07/25/2008 4:32:54 AM PDT by ImphClinton (Four More Years Go Bush)
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To: compound w

NO.

It’s very communist. They have just learned that controlled capitalism will make the leaders richer.

Check out their one child “program”. Check out the killing of political prisoners for organ transplants. Get a heart there for $250,000.


26 posted on 07/25/2008 4:35:57 AM PDT by ImphClinton (Four More Years Go Bush)
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To: tlb

People who closely read my post will notice I am not defending China. There are still major problems here. I am merely pointing out that the term communist cannot really be applied to China anymore. I like and agree with your term ‘Robber Baron Capitalist State.’

I knew there would be some name calling from people who think that I am suggesting that all is now well in China. There is still alot of changes that need to take place here and I think that especially in this case, patience is needed. China is on the right track....


27 posted on 07/25/2008 4:36:32 AM PDT by robertvance
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To: robertvance

“Mao’s body has been amazingly preserved”

- - - and he is in Hell.


28 posted on 07/25/2008 4:41:13 AM PDT by RoadTest ( Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. But he spake of the temple of his body.)
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To: ImphClinton

Right. And you obviously did not bother to look at even one of the 150 other odd posts that I have made about China in which I have criticized the government for bad policies like the one child policy

And what ‘party line’ are you talking about exactly? I wrote that the Chinese government still calls itself the Communist Party...they like the label. Take some time and read my article before you make assumptions about what I am saying.

P.S. As a foreigner living in China, I can have as many children as I want.


29 posted on 07/25/2008 4:41:51 AM PDT by robertvance
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To: ImphClinton

China’s one child “program” does not make it a communist country. Nor does the killing of political prisoners for organ transplants.


30 posted on 07/25/2008 4:44:33 AM PDT by robertvance
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To: WellyP

Kind of sounds like Zimbabwe to me. Is Mugabe a Commie?


31 posted on 07/25/2008 4:45:37 AM PDT by robertvance
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To: robertvance

I prefer the term Chicap to the term Chicom to describe a large slice of the Chinese population.

The truth is of course neither. The current status is transitional but it seems the old ways are fading in the face of new opportuity.

The transition will take time, something many are not willing to admit, but the process is clearly underway. To rid the last vestiges, men must grow old and die.


32 posted on 07/25/2008 4:50:33 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Conservation? Let the NE Yankees freeze.... in the dark)
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To: robertvance

A Duck is a Duck whatever you call it.

I am very happy that Nixon began the process that has helped China emerge from being Red China to Communist China. Even happier that China embraces some free market principles.

But there are no elections as with Socialist Countries. The Government maintains a police state mentality they are suspending some enforcement for the Olympics but few doubt this is temporary.

Dictatorships are Communist for the most part. Nasty word but accurate.

Only free elections with real parties will change this. Russia has returned to communism by many accounts, there is only one party allowed there now for all practical reasons. So China is not alone. Zimbawee has also become Communist.


33 posted on 07/25/2008 4:54:45 AM PDT by ImphClinton (Four More Years Go Bush)
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To: robertvance

Of course it does.

No democracy would put up with it. Completely against basic human rights that we all feel. Completely devalues life to such an extent it is hardly worth living. Suicides are sky high there because of it. Most girls are aborted or sold into the sex slave trade so parents can have a boy. Men have to buy brides.

China only does the minimum to keep the protest under control.


34 posted on 07/25/2008 5:02:27 AM PDT by ImphClinton (Four More Years Go Bush)
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To: robertvance

1. Very major companies (Haier, Lenovo) are OWNED by the Communist Red Chinese government.

2. The government presumes to tell people how many children they can have. If you try to get around it, reactions vary from being physically forced for an abortion and sterilization, to having your family or whole community fined a massive (for them) amount.

3. Catholics and other Christians have to meet state approval, the real Roman Catholic Church does not meet Red Communist Chinese tests because the Pope cannot cede spiritual authority to the Communist Party.

Whatever you want to classify the Red Chinese, they are just as bad as ever. Perhaps worse as they now have economic leverage over the entire world.


35 posted on 07/25/2008 5:18:46 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: robertvance

The Chinese have found a third way between Capitalism and Communism. With the fall of the Soviet Union they realized that Communism as an economic system is not viable. They formed a hybrid system where the totalitarian state is funded by limited capitalism and by using their vast work force to provide cheap goods to the West. The question remains whether they can keep it under control or if they have a tiger by the tail.


36 posted on 07/25/2008 5:43:39 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the hippies.)
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To: robertvance
China is manifesting the Leftist Dream: an oligarchy (composed of themselves, of course) ruling with absolute power over the peasantry.

The ruling oligarchy will live in luxury, of course. They deserve it for, among other things, their good intentions, their benevolent rule, taking care of the peasants, etc.

There's nothing new about this. It's as old as history itself.

That's how Julius Caesar came to power--promising everything to the masses. His heirs, the Julian family, and their heirs, the Roman emperors who followed them, stayed in power by providing the masses with bread, circuses, etc. They themselves lived in opulent luxury, of course, as, in their opinions, they deserved to do.

The medieval nobility consisted of warriors, who "protected" everyone else. In return, they extracted anything they wanted--i.e. enslavement of everyone else, viz. the peasantry, including right to have sex with them, to kill them, to exploit them in any way they chose.

Contemporary Leftists have made themselves from the same mold. They promise protection, bread and circuses, welfare, and end to poverty, the establishment of a Marxist state. They also reserve the rights to liberty, the persuit of happiness, and lives of opulence and luxury for themselver--certainly not for the peasantry (that's you and I).

Take Obama, for instance. He makes over $500,000 a year, is a multimillionaire, lives in a multimillion-dollar house. You think he's got that in mind for you and me?????

37 posted on 07/25/2008 5:47:40 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("Some people are born knowing, and some people will die searching." -Antonio Banderas)
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To: robertvance
When the state owns everything and doles out a portion to each system, "according to their need" then that state is communist.

China may have relaxed it's muscle against the average citizen. In truth, they learned the "carrot and stick" method of governing.

Let them chase the carrot and if they won't perform, then give them the stick.

China's financial foundation may have shifted to a more socialist ideal, but the fact is the state still owns everything, thus they are communist.

Nevermind the human rights abuses, the inability to speak against the political system, openly, etc, etc.

China is communist and you're a frigging moron for not recognizing it, and our government is frigging greedy for not bringing american business back to this country.

38 posted on 07/25/2008 5:50:21 AM PDT by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

I mentioned most of those points in my article, especially regarding the human rights situation. I agree with you that the Chinese government has a long way to go but I still stand by my original point that China is no longer a communist country based on its economic transformation in the past 30 years.


39 posted on 07/25/2008 6:30:05 AM PDT by robertvance
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To: semantic
Wait, let me see if my "stimulus check" has arrived.

"Dependency" you say? "Never" says I!

40 posted on 07/25/2008 6:32:05 AM PDT by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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