I wouldn't care.
Posted on 08/10/2008 2:39:43 PM PDT by library user
I am sorry to hear about the Agkhazia problem. That is terrible.
Your Georgian related comments from your perspective make my heart go out to the Georgians more than it already does.
Thank you.
If we had stayed on Reagan's national defense & foreign policy course this likely would have never happened. Russia sees us as weak because three presidents since Reagan as well as both parties in congress gutted our military, kissed up to China for their own family business interest, while ignoring Russia's return to the old ways.
That big iron fist is fixing to come back down in Russia and the former Soviet Union. Had we maintained a strong national defense and got our head out of China's unmentionable for a while things might have worked out different. As it stands now our military resources are nearly maxed out due to nation building and soon will be wore out. But hey a few Republicans and Dems donors made a fortune in contracts though.
Lets see... the Georgians level Tskhinvali with indiscriminate grad missile attacks, pull back and say... ok, it's all over and everything is to go back to the way it was? (At least until Georgia decides to do it again.)
Sorry, Russia is going to teach them a lesson. It's only a short drive to Gori where the Georgian attacks originated from.
One curious note, the Georgians still have a statue in Gori of their local Hero, Uncle Joe!
He asked the right question. Why don’t we help Georgia?
At the very least, we should begin a total, comprehensive boycott of anything from Russia, and extend it to our trading partners as well. With us or against us.
I thought the statue of Stalin was in a museum - as part of a museum and not to honor him.
You advocating that Russia overrun Georgia?
“Lets see... the Georgians level Tskhinvali with indiscriminate grad missile attacks, pull back and say... ok, it’s all over”
Congratulations, you bought the Pravda/Putin Party line on this - hook, line and sinker.
Thank you. You couldn't be more right, on both counts.
Lets see... the Georgians level Tskhinvali with indiscriminate grad missile attacks, pull back and say... ok, it's all over and everything is to go back to the way it was? (At least until Georgia decides to do it again.)
Sorry, Russia is going to teach them a lesson. It's only a short drive to Gori where the Georgian attacks originated from.
One curious note, the Georgians still have a statue in Gori of their local Hero, Uncle Joe!
The Russians care so much about civilians that they are bombing apartment buildings and strafing the BBC. No one really believes that the Sovie.. um the Russians care about anything but power and control. Did you notice how all the former slave nations of Russia have come out on the side of Georgia? This invasion is similar to the Nazi invasion of Czechoslovakia. They had some similarly ridiculous pretext.
And where are the liberal "human shields" for the Independent State of Georgia? Nowhere.
Thanks for sharing that MarMema.
Russia did form an alliance with France regarding space programs, and that has helped them, somewhat; but without cheap gas, they are falling farther and farther behind. Again.
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In March, Moscow announced that it was opting out of a CIS (Commonwealth of Independent States) a ban on trade and travel with Abkhazia. Russia has also said it was considering establishing some form of diplomatic representation in the two regions.
Moreover, Russia has thousands of troops in the two provinces, ostensibly serving as peacekeepers. For years, Russia has been issuing passports to Abkhaz and South Ossetia residents.
That's true.
Another foreign policy black eye for Uncle Sam, deserved or not. But somehow I do wish we could start supporting the nations that support US. I know it is much more complex than that but in the end I can’t help but think it would be the right thing to do. These are sovereign countries and with the real conflict being between Global cooperation and Global Government philosophies I do believe we would be better off standing with sovereign democratic nation states.
I wouldn't care.
"Ronald Reagan gave hope to the "captive nations" within the Soviet Empire by calling it what it morally was. George Bush has now given hope to the captive nations within the Chinese Empire.
Last October, he met the Dalai Lama and attended the ceremony honoring him with the Congressional Gold Medal. Bush had hosted the Dalai Lama in the White House previously in November 2005.
That sent the Chicoms into spasms of apoplexy. GW compounded their outrage by meeting last week with five advocates of freedom in China - Harry Wu (you read about him in Chicoms and Chaos, January 2005), head of the Laogai Research Foundation (the Laogai are the Chicom Gulag concentration camps); Chinese blogger Sasha Gong; Chinese democracy advocate Wei Jinsheng; leader of the Chinese Christian Undergound Church Movement Bob Fu - and the champion of Uighur freedom, Rebiya Kadeer.
This is an extraordinary group of people, main leaders of freedom and democracy for China, for all the peoples of China. For President Bush to meet them in the White House right on the eve of his going to Beijing comes close to matching Reagan's moral condemnation of the Soviets.
For that is what is needed: the moral condemnation of Chicom colonialism and imperialism.
In comparing George Bush to Ronald Reagan. Nonetheless, it's illuminating to read this New York Times story from 1987: Beijing Is Backed By Administration On Tibet.
I was in Tibet when the story was written, and there are no words to describe how revolted I was by it when I read it upon my return. Reagan never supported freedom for Tibet, always supported China's tyranny, and refused to ever meet the Dalai Lama.
These Olympics are serving to make Chicom oppression just as obvious to the world as Beijing smog."
Your welcome! I found the information very helpful as well.
Not at all. South Ossetia and Abkhazi had autonomy under Soviet rule. Georgia's attempt to take that away in the early nineties lead to the defeat of Georgian forces and de-facto independence of those two regions. Georgia's decision to attack South Ossetia has forced Russia's hand. I suspect that South Ossetia and Abkhazi will now get their independence from Georgia and Russian troops will guarantee it.
Abkhazi is already at war with Georgia.
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