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McCain alarms base with abortion comment
Politico ^ | 8/14/2008 | Jonathan Martin

Posted on 08/14/2008 8:54:39 PM PDT by Alter Kaker

Top social conservative leaders in key battleground states are urging John McCain not to pick a running mate who supports abortion rights, warning of dire consequences from a Republican base already unenthused about their nominee.

McCain’s comments Wednesday to the Weekly Standard’s Stephen Hayes that former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge’s pro-abortion rights views wouldn’t necessarily rule him out quickly found their way into the in-boxes of Christian conservatives. For those who have been anxiously awaiting McCain’s pick as a signal of his ideological intentions, there was deep concern that their worst fears about the Arizona senator may be realized.

“It absolutely floored me,” said Phil Burress, head of the Ohio-based Citizens for Community Values. “It would doom him in Ohio.”

Burress emailed about a dozen “pro-family leaders” he knows outside Ohio and forwarded it to three McCain aides tasked with Christian conservative outreach.

“That choice will end his bid for the presidency and spell defeat for other Republican candidates,” Burress wrote in the message.

He and other Ohio conservatives met privately with McCain in June, and while the nominee didn’t promise them an anti-abortion rights running mate, his staff said they could “almost guarantee” that would be the case, Burress recalled.


Now, Burress said, “he’s not even sure [Christian conservatives] would vote for him let alone work for him if he picked a pro-abortion running mate.”

James Muffett, head of Michigan’s Citizens for Traditional Values, met with McCain along with a handful of other Michigan-based social conservatives Wednesday night.

“A good portion of us were urging him to pick a pro-life running mate,” Muffett said, noting that they were doing so before even getting wind of the Standard story. “That choice would go a long way to solidify his credentials.”

Muffett said McCain didn’t offer any promises on the issue, but rather reiterated his anti-abortion record and assured them that he was aware of how critical the base was to the electoral success of Republican presidents dating back to Ronald Reagan.

To select a running mate who supports abortion rights would be “wrong-headed, short-sighted, fracture the Republican Party and not allow us to capitalize on the Democratic Party’s fracture right now,” Muffett argued.

“If he does that, it makes our job 100 times harder. It would dampen enthusiasm at a time when evangelicals are looking for ways to gin up enthusiasm.”


McCain, Muffett said, got that message in their meeting.

“Some people in the movement say it would be the kiss of death. He heard that in the room last night.”

With polls showing McCain and Obama still neck-and-neck in many competitive states, conservatives argue that their candidate must turn out Christian conservatives in large numbers to win.

In Iowa, for example, many in the GOP say Bush won in 2004 after losing there in 2000 because he bolstered turnout among the religious right in the conservative western part of the state and in exurban areas.

“Bush only won by 10,000 votes,” recalled Steve Scheffler, president of the Iowa Christian Alliance and a Republican committeeman from the state. “You’re going to have to have a huge turnout of that base again for McCain to win.”

And, Scheffler noted, it’s not just a matter of ensuring that social conservatives vote – picking a supporter of abortion rights could erode McCain’s volunteer base.

“Ninety percent of the workforce for Bush in ’04 came out of that constituency,” he said, alluding to the Christian right. “Picking a Ridge or a [Joseph] Lieberman would not be helpful at all.”

Rep. Peter Hoekstra, who represents a conservative, heavily Dutch district in western Michigan where Republicans traditionally pile up huge margins, said a pro-abortion rights running mate “would be problematic.”

“That’s not where they’d want him going,” Hoekstra said of the party base.

McCain’s campaign sought to tamp down the uproar, suggesting the candidate had merely been overly expansive about a sensitive topic and hadn’t intended to float a trial balloon.

“The point that McCain was making is that people can differ on one issue and still be a vital member of our party,” said an aide. “The fact that Governor Ridge is not perfectly in line with the party platform does not make him any less of a Republican.”

In the interview, McCain said “the pro-life position is one of the important aspects or fundamentals of the Republican Party.”


“And I also feel that — and I'm not trying to equivocate here — that Americans want us to work together. You know, Tom Ridge is one of the great leaders and he happens to be pro-choice. And I don't think that that would necessarily rule Tom Ridge out [for vice-president].”

He added: “I think it's a fundamental tenet of our party to be pro-life, but that does not mean we exclude people from our party that are pro-choice. We just have a — albeit strong — but just it's a disagreement. And I think Ridge is a great example of that.”

The GOP base aside, some observers believe that picking an outside-the-box running mate such as Lieberman could help McCain with the broad middle of the country who are fed up with the political status quo and enable him to pick off even more Clinton backers.

“This move to a pro-choice running mate such as Lieberman could help reshape his message to appeal to swing voters,” said Doug Schoen, a Democratic pollster who worked for New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg when he was a Republican and has written a book about moving away from the two-party system. “The right-wing is not going anywhere and choice is a key issue for over-40 women who voted for Hillary in the primaries.”

But to some in the GOP who supported other candidates in the primary and are having trouble mustering much enthusiasm for McCain, the mere mention of a pro-choice running mate is disheartening.

“A lot of the troops here are on the fence or disappointed,” said Elizabeth Sipfle, a Michigan Republican and former leader of Mike Huckabee’s grassroots “Huck’s Army” organization who contacted Politico to register her concern. “Let’s not get our blood boiling.”


“Be smart,” she urged McCain. “There’s a big group here that’s already feeling marginalized.”


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To: Nonstatist
scumbag is more like it. scarface, yeah, that's the (GOP) ticket. sheesh.

96% of Free Republic knows and is on record through polling, about this guy...I dont expect he will poll that many conservative votes this year, if folks have an alternative.

61 posted on 08/14/2008 9:38:02 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Men Who Died in Wars For Our Voting Rights Also Did So For The Right To Vote Indie-Conservative?)
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To: semaj; Jo Nuvark
After all, and I paraphrase a great Frenchman, "America did not become great because of its government, it became, and remained great because its people were good" (DeTocqueville).

A student of Tocqueville? Your hope may not be in vain, Jo. ;)
62 posted on 08/14/2008 9:38:42 PM PDT by Das Outsider (They're here. Deport now. Pay less to Mexico.)
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63 posted on 08/14/2008 9:38:49 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat." Ronald Reagan)
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To: wastedpotential

The issue for a justice is whether the supposed right to privacy (not found in the constitution)


This is not in defence of abortion, but individuals have rights not enumerated in the Constitution. That is recognized in the ninth and tenth amendments:

Ninth Amendment: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Tenth Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

The founders feared that some would argue that if a right was not listed in the Constitution, then it was not a right possessed by individuals and could be taken by the state. That is an argument that conservatives must deny.


64 posted on 08/14/2008 9:39:09 PM PDT by FFranco
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To: Jo Nuvark
[... Are you saying that the Supreme Court of the United States really has no moral authority over just what constitutes a human being?...]

Without the counsel of Scripture, the Supreme Court cannot be trusted to make moral decisions.

Being an originalist, I do not think the SCOTUS should be making moral decisions, that's what the liberal "living document" types do.

The job of the court is to look to the constitution, as written. They do not need any moral guidance, either from "evolving standards of decency", or the Bible. It ain't their job.

If this is a problem, then it is a problem in the Constitution, and as an originalist, the Constitution is clear on how it can be changed.

I don't want nine black robed judges handing down word on high about morality. That's a liberal notion. Follow the constitution, as written, or change the parts unliked via amendment.

65 posted on 08/14/2008 9:39:35 PM PDT by jbarntt (Tagline:optional, printed after your name on post): -30-)
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To: Jo Nuvark

Not to beat a dead horse, but I was wondering last night if I was on the wrong site. It’s amazing to me that a site so obviously God-focused (per mr. robinson) has attracted so many God-hating conservatives.

I love the discourse here and absolutely expect people to disagree at times, but it sometimes feels like the site is being invaded by... oh... well, I reckon that could be the case.

I guess there better be more of us than there are of them. Or maybe we just need a big God on our side.

God is our hope... Thank you and Das for the encouragement.


66 posted on 08/14/2008 9:41:10 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - God is our only hope!)
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To: semaj; Das Outsider; Gordon Greene

[... I do not worship at the alter of government, and neither should anyone else. Instead, government should be looked upon with a suspicious eye, and constant vigilance against tyranny and corruption. After all, and I paraphrase a great Frenchman, “America did not become great because of its government, it became, and remained great because its people were good” (DeTocqueville)...]

Wonderful quote.

Thank you for clarifying my remarks. I will make some changes to that piece. By business I mean that our government (like the rest of us) should keep a balanced checkbook.


67 posted on 08/14/2008 9:41:46 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Das Outsider

Si, Amigo.

Muchas Gracias (That’s “much grass” for those of you who took the time to inhale).


68 posted on 08/14/2008 9:44:02 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - God is our only hope!)
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To: Jo Nuvark
Thank you for clarifying my remarks. I will make some changes to that piece. By business I mean that our government (like the rest of us) should keep a balanced checkbook.

And pick up "Democracy in America" while you're at it. ;)
69 posted on 08/14/2008 9:45:18 PM PDT by Das Outsider (They're here. Deport now. Pay less to Mexico.)
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To: Alter Kaker

Just wanted to drop by and see if any of the mug whores are attacking the pro-Life crowd for “holding onto their precious principles”.


70 posted on 08/14/2008 9:47:12 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (The McCainiac's creed: Death to America by a thousand cuts)
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To: Jo Nuvark

I understand your comments. I disagree.


71 posted on 08/14/2008 9:47:18 PM PDT by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: Alter Kaker

If he picks a pro-abortionist for Veep, it would be hard for me to justify any level of support for his candidacy. It’s going to be pretty hard to get enthused about this race then.

But I hope he doesn’t do that.


72 posted on 08/14/2008 9:47:24 PM PDT by Ben Reyes
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To: Gordon Greene
Muchas Gracias (That’s “much grass” for those of you who took the time to inhale).

Much Bono, Senior. ;)

Viva la Migra!
73 posted on 08/14/2008 9:48:49 PM PDT by Das Outsider (They're here. Deport now. Pay less to Mexico.)
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To: Gordon Greene

By the way... I’m not sure if anybody answered back, but the Supreme Court has NO moral authority to decide what constitutes anything except as it pertains to the constitution.

And if the Constitution says that “All men (mankind) are created equal” it implies both a Creator and individual worth in one tiny bite-sized phrase. Therefore, the only thing the Supreme’s (I love that group) should be making a ruling on is the context and meaning of that statement.

And the only logical conclusion they could come to is that ABORTION IS MURDER!!!

I wish folks would think before they start tearing your statement down... lotta wisdom there.


74 posted on 08/14/2008 9:51:06 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - God is our only hope!)
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To: Das Outsider; semaj; Gordon Greene

[... A student of Tocqueville? Your hope may not be in vain...]

Si Senior. Es Mui Bueno.

Seems like the shiprats have found another home.
Let’s embrace these kind brethren and make them
feel welcome. Perhaps they’ll stay a while and
then the good ship Free Republic will once more
be known for its gentility and the gentlemanly art
of persuasion.


75 posted on 08/14/2008 9:53:02 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jo Nuvark

Still the newbie... how ‘bout that last super-intelligent, well thought out statement I sent to myself was supposed to go to you.

Doh!


76 posted on 08/14/2008 9:53:44 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (www.fracturedrepublic.com - God is our only hope!)
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To: Gordon Greene
And if the Constitution says that “All men (mankind) are created equal”

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say "All men are created equal."

77 posted on 08/14/2008 9:54:16 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say “All men are created equal.”


Yes, I was just going to point that out.


78 posted on 08/14/2008 9:55:52 PM PDT by FFranco
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To: Gordon Greene

Heh! Heh!


79 posted on 08/14/2008 9:57:16 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Jo Nuvark
Seems like the shiprats have found another home. Let’s embrace these kind brethren and make them feel welcome. Perhaps they’ll stay a while and then the good ship Free Republic will once more be known for its gentility and the gentlemanly art of persuasion.

Um, let's see--somewhat literate people that don't think in bumper sticker slogans and soundbites, or the "Bomb Russia or Else," groupthink, angry liberals-in-denial crowd.

It's a toss-up. ;)
80 posted on 08/14/2008 9:58:40 PM PDT by Das Outsider (They're here. Deport now. Pay less to Mexico.)
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