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Doctors Worry Organ Donors Not Dead ( Pro-Life Alert! )
worldnetdaily.com ^ | August 15, 2008 | staff

Posted on 08/16/2008 7:39:23 AM PDT by kellynla

A federally funded research project has described how surgeons were able to snatch the hearts from severely brain-damaged newborns only seconds after they were disconnected from life-support units and transplant the organs into other diseased infants, but the work is raising alarms from those who say the donors weren't dead yet.

The work was documented in a report in the New England Journal of Medicine today, which in an unusual move also published a series of commentaries about the study that offered harsh criticism.

"It is impossible to transplant a heart successfully after irreversible stoppage: if a heart is restarted, the person from whom it was taken cannot have been dead according to cardiac criteria. Removing organs from a patient whose heart not only can be restarted, but also has been or will be restarted in another body, is ending a life by organ removal," wrote Dr. Robert Veatch, professor of medical ethics at the Kennedy Institute of Ethics at Georgetown University.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: abortion; genocide; healthcare; organdonors; prolife

1 posted on 08/16/2008 7:39:23 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: Salvation; NYer; narses; A.A. Cunningham

ping


2 posted on 08/16/2008 7:40:14 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
I find it hard to believe that it has to be that close to life to be restarted. What about all the images of organs coming off planes in little coolers and such? Are all heart transplants from the immediately deceased or just those for infants? Confusing...
3 posted on 08/16/2008 7:43:04 AM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (I'll take a "third Bush term" over a second Carter term ANY DAY!)
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To: kellynla

I have signed up as an organ donor, and I have made it very plain to my family that if I am mostly dead and will never recover it is perfectly ok for the surgeons to take whatever organs they can use, while they are still usable.


4 posted on 08/16/2008 7:44:28 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

For this very reason, I have NOT signed up as an organ donor. But I have made it very clear to my husband that I do want to be a donor. But I want HIM to make that decision. I do not want any doctors being too quick with the knife! I figure with modern technology he can be by my bedside within hours no matter where he is... I’ve read to many stories where bad things happen.


5 posted on 08/16/2008 7:55:25 AM PDT by Krista33
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Follow the money. Organ transplants are $100,000+++, often paid by insurance. There is too much motivation to “help things out a little”.

Don’t believe me? How does an abortion doctor keep doing what he does??


6 posted on 08/16/2008 8:01:13 AM PDT by RushingWater (Pres. Bush honors Mexican sovereignty over our own - Pardon Ramos/Campeon/Hernandez)
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To: To Hell With Poverty
I find it hard to believe that it has to be that close to life to be restarted. What about all the images of organs coming off planes in little coolers and such? Are all heart transplants from the immediately deceased or just those for infants? Confusing...

What the article is saying is that when the organ is removed, the patient that it is removed from must be ALIVE. The only organ that does not require the patient to be ALIVE when the organ is removed is the eye (Cornea)!

7 posted on 08/16/2008 8:07:57 AM PDT by grammarman
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To: Krista33

Even if you sign up a a donor, your next of kin must still be informed and can deny any donation. Nobody can just take your stuff without consent. Check your state regulations on donation and informed consent. There is a definite order of precedence, spouse, parent, adult child, sibling, etc,. as to who can authorize consent. Always make your wishes known to your loved ones, write them down! Tell your health care provider.


8 posted on 08/16/2008 8:13:35 AM PDT by Coastie ("You gotta go out, you don't have to come back"- CG motto (unofficial))
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To: Krista33
And I have removed myself from being an organ donor after seeing the abuses and ethical rule-bending in the system, and what the system has and is turning into.

It is coming to the point that if you have money, you can jump to the head of the line for a transplant (unofficially, of course...). If you are not signed up to be a donor, that won't stop the god-playing doctors who think their agenda overrules your wishes. Fraud abounds. Our overseas "friends" are getting into the racket too, as well as US-based slimeballs who are putting on the mask.

There were several sci-fi/horror movies and TV sci-fi shows that touch on these themes (Coma for example). If you research, you will find that they are not far from the truth. It's for that reason that I have instructed my family in no way, shape, or form that any of my organs are to be donated. I will not let some medical hack make money off the few working parts I have left.

9 posted on 08/16/2008 8:20:34 AM PDT by Dubh_Ghlase (In the land of Clinton, where the shadows lie...)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
I have made it very plain to my family that if I am mostly dead and will never recover

There's devil in them there details....
10 posted on 08/16/2008 8:22:28 AM PDT by beezdotcom
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To: RushingWater
Abortuaries are feeding the tissue industry. Abortuaries make monetary donations to the political campaigns of ghouls like Boxer, Murray, Harkin, Dodd, Sibelius, etc., so the fetal tissue harvesting industry which feeds tissues to research programs at major universities in N,C., Kansas, Leftafornia, Wash, etc. is protected by the democrap party leadership.

A few years ago I talked with a research person just introing into fetal tissue research at a major university in the South for a job while in pre-med. The lab where this person worked received wet ice deliveries from abortuaries in Al., N.C., and Georgia, sometimes whole 'fetuses' arrived on ice, to be dissected for parts used in various research studies. This person was astonished at how 'fresh' were the whole aborted babies. I was told, though I have no confirmation of this to date, that a 'fetus' arrived on one occasion so fresh from the abortuary that when taken from the ice the heart was still beating, albeit ever so feeble in contraction. The interviewee resigned from the research program shortly thereafter and has now finished medical residency as a GP in another state (in fact, in another region entirely so disgusted and nauseated was this brilliant young person).

Evil saunters about the land, no longer bashful to display its power over we the people's negligence. Incrimentalism ushers in all manner of disgusting vileness, and we the people refocus upon the bread and circuses and let the evil pass unopposed, too busy to be bothered.

11 posted on 08/16/2008 8:23:12 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: kellynla

12 posted on 08/16/2008 8:38:32 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: kellynla

"We've come for your liver"...

13 posted on 08/16/2008 9:07:03 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: RushingWater

> Follow the money. Organ transplants are $100,000+++, often paid by insurance. There is too much motivation to “help things out a little”.

I suppose that is one advantage to Socialized Medicine, like what we have here in New Zealand. Organ transplants are undertaken on the basis of need and availability. No amount of money can purchase an organ for transplant in NZ.

The downside to this is that very, very few transplants take place here — a situation not helped by stone-age cultural taboos.


14 posted on 08/16/2008 10:12:57 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
Please don't bury me
Down in that cold cold ground
No, I'd druther have "em" cut me up
And pass me all around

Throw my brain in a hurricane
And the blind can have my eyes
And the deaf can take both of my ears
If they don't mind the size

Give my stomach to Milwaukee
If they run out of beer
Put my socks in a cedar box
Just get "em" out of here

15 posted on 08/16/2008 10:20:17 AM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: MHGinTN

Ugh, that is plain gruesome—EVIL.


16 posted on 08/18/2008 11:10:55 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: ViLaLuz

Yes, THAT is what evil looks like being ‘lived out’ in our nation, the level of evil that Obama cannot seem to recognize since he lacks the Spirit of discernment.


17 posted on 08/18/2008 11:14:54 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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