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Obama says pointed abortion query “above his pay grade” POTUS then is certainly above
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Posted on 08/16/2008 11:12:47 PM PDT by cpforlife.org

DALLAS - U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama side-stepped a pointed query about abortion on Saturday by “mega-pastor” Rick Warren during a televised forum.

Asked at what point a baby gets “human rights,” Obama, who strongly supports abortion rights, said: “… whether you’re looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity … is above my pay grade.”


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; coward; election; husseinobama; inartfuldodger; lendmeyourears; murderer; obama; obambi; rickwarren; saddleback
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To: randita
I think it was intended to mean that it was above his pay grade to play God.

Or scientist. Or president. However, community organizer might be a good position for him.

51 posted on 08/17/2008 5:46:08 AM PDT by new cruelty (don't believe the hype)
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To: randita
“Although he doesn’t seem to mind taking moral stands on just about every other issue pertaining to government intrusion into private lives. Either way, it was a flippant answer which could be taken in many different ways, none of them positive.”

Would a guy like that ever have the nerve to carpet bomb or launch a retaliatory nuclear strike? Would he be tempted to pardon serial killers? And also— what kind of judges would he respect? The man is as flawed as the day is long. And the truth is, he had the nerve to support dumping babies in filthy utility rooms until they die. Oh he has nerve alright. He's phony, twisted, and potentially dangerous if he were smart enough to fool us.

52 posted on 08/17/2008 5:47:16 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March ("The internet needs a gatekeeper," The Cackling Comeback Witch aka Hillary Rod-ham [Clinton])
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To: johnnycap
I think it’s fascinating that Obama was able to give the one answer that could completely offend all people on all sides of the abortion issue at once

I agree. One would be hard pressed to come up with an answer more fully efficient at repelling everyone.

Even more amazing is that the question would hardly be considered a blindside at a religious forum. It would be the one Obama and his handlers would have prepared for above all others. And that's the answer they calculated to hit it out of the park, the one sound bite the press and pundits would seize upon with admiring awe. Oh yeah.

Congratulations, Obama. Your smug-ass, too-clever-by half sound bite is destined for entry into the public lexicon, all right. It's now going to be your tagline, attached by every pundit, columnist and commentator to anything you say from hence forward: "But of course, it's above his pay grade" or "I guess that's above his pay grade too." Nyuk nyuk.

53 posted on 08/17/2008 6:05:17 AM PDT by Eroteme
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To: bcsco
He was his usual Ich bin ein beginner self...

Brilliant! Love it.

54 posted on 08/17/2008 6:09:25 AM PDT by Eroteme
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To: cpforlife.org

Its Barry/Hillary in Nov.


55 posted on 08/17/2008 6:20:31 AM PDT by winodog (We have been set up for Hillary)
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To: Eroteme
Brilliant! Love it.

Nah, it's been used here frequently. I just borrowed it. It fit perfectly, though.

56 posted on 08/17/2008 6:37:52 AM PDT by bcsco (Obama: SPINciple in chief!)
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To: ModelBreaker
Seems to me that a lot of evangelical churches have gotten more and more to be happy-time churches...
It's just Norman Vincent Peal and the Power of Positive Thinking repackaged.
57 posted on 08/17/2008 6:40:15 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: bcsco

How very un-obamalike of you to not take credit for work that’s not yours. You’d probably return a lost wallet to its owner with cash intact, too. You conservatives are all alike. :-)

Well, kudos to whomever thought up the phrase. It really is brilliant.


58 posted on 08/17/2008 6:49:01 AM PDT by Eroteme
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To: cpforlife.org

Either he has an opinion but he is hiding it (which I suspect) or he is one of those many libs who does NOT have opinions unless he has walked that path. Since he is not a woman, he doesn’t dare to have an opinion about it. Which is spineless.

Your choice — spineless or a liar.


59 posted on 08/17/2008 6:56:07 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: cpforlife.org

Obama’s abortion answer to woman:

“SEE YA LATER BABY!”


60 posted on 08/17/2008 6:57:42 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March; PhilDragoo; devolve; potlatch; Fiddlstix

Man! He tells the truth, “above my pay grade”.

This time Barack HUSSEIN “Milhous” Obama reminds me of
the old “You are an IDIOT!” links I’ve seen before!

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare

Some of them are VICIOUS, but this one is okay ...


61 posted on 08/17/2008 7:35:36 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (McRINO needs reach across the aisle to Conservatives for a CHANGE! Dang him!!!)
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To: cpforlife.org; Conspiracy Guy; y'all


62 posted on 08/17/2008 7:37:40 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (McRINO needs reach across the aisle to Conservatives for a CHANGE! Dang him!!!)
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This is incredible. As Not WRIGHT for America points out, who is above his pay grade, Planned Parenthood?! That’s who he takes orders from on this issue! www.notwrightforamerica.com


63 posted on 08/17/2008 7:45:17 AM PDT by Not Wright for America
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To: pnh102

I may be wrong, but it seems to me that the press is always saying we’re up for grabs, because the press views evangelicals through the “What’s Wrong With Kansas” lens and figure the followers of Jesus should be eager to push aside the issue of murdered children in order to get a few people health care or government cheese or whatever the latest lib is offering. They also seem to think that we’re so dumb and so fixated on religion in politics that we’re going to look at John “I believe but don’t proclaim it from the stump” McCain and reject him in favor of Barack “I’m a heck of a Christian, just ask me and Jeremiah Wright” Obama.


64 posted on 08/17/2008 8:20:06 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (*******It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.******)
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To: wardaddy
Cause my grey hair just can't cover up my redneck

Have you won every fight you've fought?

65 posted on 08/17/2008 8:27:40 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (*******It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.******)
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To: littlehouse36; NavyCanDo

It’s available, I just watched it.


66 posted on 08/17/2008 8:38:00 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (*******It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.******)
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To: MeekOneGOP; floriduh voter; potlatch; devolve; 8mmMauser; Lesforlife; Grampa Dave; LucyT; ...

OBAMA LIES "I AM A CHRISTIAN"
CHRISTIANS DO NOT KILL BABIES

67 posted on 08/17/2008 8:45:11 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March; johnnycap
I think it’s fascinating that Obama was able to give the one answer that could completely offend all people on all sides of the abortion issue at once.”

Especially when you consider that his stated position on abortion means that it's within a fourteen year old's pay grade to decide whether a child lives or dies.

68 posted on 08/17/2008 8:45:45 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (*******It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.******)
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To: cpforlife.org
All of this is good news. Abortion is a losing issue for the Democrats and the longer it stays out in the headlines the better for Republicans.

Now if McCain upholds his end of the deal and chooses a pro-life VP, the evangelicals and pro-lifers will support the GOP.

69 posted on 08/17/2008 8:50:21 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (BARACK OBAMA WILL SAVE US! HE HAS RISEN!!)
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To: ovrtaxt

Excellent point, and when one considers the provisions of the Freedom of Choice Act and the Born Alive Act, it appears that Obama believes the following:

1. The child gets human rights sometime between day 2 after birth and when they (if they fall in with a bad crowd) arriv at Gitmo for processing.

2. Deciding whether a child lives or dies is below the pay grade of anyone with a womb, at any age, at anytime and for any reason. Strange that he feels as a U.S. Senator and potential President he can’t figure this out, but a 14 year old who doesn’t want her 20 year old boyfriend to be in trouble has all the wisdom she needs to decide the life inside her has no business being born.


70 posted on 08/17/2008 8:54:34 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (*******It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.******)
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To: philman_36
It's just Norman Vincent Peal and the Power of Positive Thinking repackaged.

Well, I think that overstates the case somewhat, although there is no small truth there. And I think Warren and KLUV ("Positive and Encouraging") is in many ways to blame for boosting this trend along.

It's not so much that they ignore Christian theology, they emphasize and deemphasize it selectively. The unfun parts get deemphasized. The parts that make you feel good about yourself get emphasized. There is nothing in the Bible that says it's gonna be fun or that surrendering to the Lord will improve my self esteem or my inability to remember people's names or make me prosperous.

Ironically, a lot of evangelical churches don't do much evangelizing--unless by evangelizing you mean, "come to the big Halloween party, it'll be fun." OTOH, it is the first venture into Bible Study for a lot of folks. And once you start into that, the feel-good stuff ought to get harder and harder to swallow. It did for me. Now I'm Pentecostal.

One rule. If a pastor runs to the podium to music--I'm outta there.

But the bottom line on this is: A large part of the evangelical population are tweeners. They don't accept the degradation of secular humanism. But they can't get all the way to a Christian worldview. They want the good news but not the bad news. And as such, they are political 'tweeners also.

71 posted on 08/17/2008 9:15:27 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: MeekOneGOP; devolve

LOL Meek! I forgot about that website!
McCain was impressive last night, I watched it all.


72 posted on 08/17/2008 9:51:47 AM PDT by potlatch ("Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter")
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To: PhilDragoo; devolve; ntnychik
I am so glad Obama was first in the interview last night because then when you heard McCain calmly giving his instant well informed replies it made Obama PALE in comparison. In fact, Obama voiced only his ‘thoughts’ as he had no real experience to draw on.
73 posted on 08/17/2008 9:57:55 AM PDT by potlatch ("Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter")
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To: Wiseghy; cpforlife.org
In the classic "Hunters in the Underbrush" scenario, two hunters are out in the woods hoping to bag some deer. They become separated, and before long, one hunbter sees some movement in the bushes. He can't see what's making the bushes move. It could be his fellow hunter; it could be a deer.

Ethics question: Is he ethically permitted to shoot?

And the answer, class, is "No." Class, you cannot shoot unless you are morally certain that you are not endangering a human life. In doubtful situations you are always required to give "the benefit of the doubt" to human life.

Obama claims to be an advicate of human rights: but his whole philosophy appears to be built up on a firm founation of absolutely nothing. He doesn't know what a human being is. He doesn't know that human rigfhts begin when human life begins, and human life begins at the beginning.

To put it simply, at the level of Obama's pay grade: human life is transmittrd/i> from generation to generation. And it is transmitted with every successful act of human reproduction. If an offspring has been begotten, human life has been successfully transmitted to a new generation.

"Pay grade?" The Presidency of the United States is not an entry-level trainee position.

74 posted on 08/17/2008 10:47:55 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Mammalia Primatia Hominidae Homo sapiens. Still working on the "sapiens" part.)
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To: NavyCanDo

Hello, Mr McCain. Here is some red meat.


75 posted on 08/17/2008 10:56:58 AM PDT by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Eureka...finally someone who knows!

nope...I have had my ass kicked soundly more than once.

my daddy knocked me out once


76 posted on 08/17/2008 11:05:38 AM PDT by wardaddy ("Cause my grey hair just can't cover up my redneck.")
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To: gathersnomoss

That Clip can be made into a Great McCain commercial.


77 posted on 08/17/2008 11:07:03 AM PDT by gswilder
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To: cpforlife.org

LOL! at his comment.

What does he think priests and ministers have for a paygrade?

Oh, their’s is in heaven. God bless those who support life at all stages.


78 posted on 08/17/2008 11:11:53 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: cpforlife.org
And here is a very graphic link -- be forewarned.

Priests for Life -- What an abortion looks like

79 posted on 08/17/2008 11:13:43 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: GloriaJane

Great translation!


80 posted on 08/17/2008 11:15:14 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: PhilDragoo

Thanks for the ping!


81 posted on 08/17/2008 12:21:53 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: cpforlife.org
He also said Justice Thomas was ill prepared for his position and should never have been nominated.

Obviously he didn't like his conservatism, but if that Justice was in Obama’s eyes not ready for prime time, then he should himself be looking into the mirror and stepping down from the race.

Obama is a hypocrite though, so do not wait for that one.

82 posted on 08/17/2008 12:26:57 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: wardaddy

One of my Air Force buddies and I used to sing that song. We couldn’t play it when we visited his home, however, because his otherwise pleasant and even-tempered mom referred to Coe as “that name-dropping bastard.”


83 posted on 08/17/2008 1:21:54 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (*******It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.******)
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To: cpforlife.org
During scripture study last Tuesday, I mentioned the forum to my priest.

He must have watched it because during todays homily he again mentioned that Catholics must look at where the candidates stand on the life issue.

From previous chats with him I know that he is scared to death that Obama will become the president.

84 posted on 08/17/2008 1:26:38 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E. That spells free. freerepublic.com baby)
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To: winodog
Win, I think Obama gave away who his VP is going to be in last nights questions.

When asked who would he take advice from if he was president, the first two were family members but the third was Sam Nunn.

I think it will be Nunn.

85 posted on 08/17/2008 1:29:01 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E. That spells free. freerepublic.com baby)
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To: cpforlife.org
Anytime this guy speaks off script...wow...I'm definitely wondering if this guy is actually, you know, an anti-Bush. A guy with all the polish in the world, but actually downright stupid. I mean, 57 states? AFTER he thought about it!? We need to get this guy doing extemporaneous speaking more often.
86 posted on 08/17/2008 1:32:48 PM PDT by Free Descendant
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To: MeekOneGOP

Meek! That is the best pic of Barack ever. Perfectly accurate. Cheers!!!


87 posted on 08/17/2008 1:55:24 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: mware

I recall with great clarity my high school government teacher telling me in 75 that Nunn would be the next President of the USA.
He is a old school dem, better then most of todays reps, in my opinion.


88 posted on 08/17/2008 2:54:34 PM PDT by winodog (We have been set up for Hillary)
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To: pnh102
My liberal daughter, wrote me and stated that she thought Warren was in the tank for Obama!

We did feel like he favored Obama over McCain.

By the way, my liberal daughter is one of the Hillary gals who is voting for McCain. One good thing that came out of this election, is that said daughter started watching FOXNEWS, during the primaries, because they were fair to Hillary, while the other news media clearly favored Obama. She now finds herself agreeing with many conservative thoughts. I believe she will one day be a convert. She at least has seen that the Dems are liars and propagandists.

89 posted on 08/17/2008 6:51:49 PM PDT by tuckrdout (~ 'Those who hammer their guns into plows, will plow for those who don't.' ~)
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To: winodog

Yeah, I think so too. He is gonna need her, after that performance.


90 posted on 08/17/2008 6:54:48 PM PDT by tuckrdout (~ 'Those who hammer their guns into plows, will plow for those who don't.' ~)
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To: Mr. Silverback; stainlessbanner; dixiechick2000; Squantos; WKB
David had never really felt accepted.

I was fairly friendly with Waylon Jennings in the mid to late 90s since I was temporarily engaged to his Girl Friday/Office Manager...before Waylon moved to Phoenix with Jesse.

Coe would come by a lot just checking on Waylum at the Music Row Victorian Mansion that doubled as Waylum’s office and center of touring and merchandising.

a big imposing fellow but he adored Waylon....hell, they all did 'cept June Carter...ol Waymore did not suffer fools gladly

my little boys turn up the CD player in my F250 and open the windows and sunroof to hoot and holler when Coe is on ...my wife and daughters cringe..lol

91 posted on 08/17/2008 7:03:51 PM PDT by wardaddy ("Cause my grey hair just can't cover up my redneck.")
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To: wardaddy

You talking David Allen Coe ?..........got em ALL !


92 posted on 08/17/2008 7:12:06 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: wardaddy
Never met ol DAC, but he's quite a character I hear. Stumbled around the keys in 70's-80's I think - that was wild times down there.

I've seen him a few times at the Broken Spoke or Iron Horse....whichever one has all the boardwalks. Coe seems like a tough coot. Definitely does things his own way.

Been watching some of those Waylon clips on youtube....with Cash, Willie, Jerry Reed - Waymore was a legend in appearance, sound, voice. I regret never having seen one of his shows.

93 posted on 08/17/2008 7:12:59 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: wardaddy

I shook hands with Jerry Clower and Justin Wilson,
do I qualify as an expert????
Al Bundy was excited because he shook the hand
of the man who shook Andy Griffith’s hand. I know how
he felt.
You aren’t listening to DAC X-rated are you???
BTW You are right on about the definition of an evangelical.


94 posted on 08/17/2008 7:44:30 PM PDT by WKB
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To: Mr. Silverback

What an excellent observation! I never thought of it that way. But, that is a fact. We allow 14 year olds the power to decide if a baby should live or die.


95 posted on 08/17/2008 9:24:54 PM PDT by tuckrdout (~ 'Those who hammer their guns into plows, will plow for those who don't.' ~)
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To: cpforlife.org; Conspiracy Guy; y'all

Thank you so much!

CG came up with the concept for the pic.

Thanks, CG !!


96 posted on 08/17/2008 10:24:56 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (McRINO needs reach across the aisle to Conservatives for a CHANGE! Dang him!!!)
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To: cpforlife.org; PhilDragoo
Pinged from Terri Dailies

8mm


97 posted on 08/18/2008 3:20:52 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: tuckrdout

thank you. sometimes the little gray cells cooperate with me.


98 posted on 08/18/2008 4:59:25 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (*******It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.******)
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To: PhilDragoo
Barack Obama neither theologican or scientist so he disqualifies himself from answering a key question.

He would let Terri Schiavo die if he had a second chance and he won't punish anyone with a baby, particularly the powerful federally funded Planned Parenthood.

He's a faux Christian.

99 posted on 08/18/2008 3:27:37 PM PDT by floriduh voter ( Hey, hey, Fay.)
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To: ModelBreaker

God doesn’t take a paycheck.


100 posted on 08/18/2008 3:30:14 PM PDT by floriduh voter ( Hey, hey, Fay.)
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