Posted on 08/18/2008 9:35:10 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
What exactly does your beloved “fundamentalist dogma” pejorative mean?
(I’m making a side bet with GodGunsetc that you won’t be able to define it.)
And you’re right, even among evangelicals, a survey was taken about core beliefs, and around 50% did not have a Christian/Biblical worldview.
Now, if you want the definition of this worldview, here it is:
“The definition requires someone to believe that absolute moral truth exists;
that the source of moral truth is the Bible;
that the Bible is accurate in all of the principles it teaches;
that eternal spiritual salvation cannot be earned;
that Jesus lived a sinless life on earth;
that every person has a responsibility to share their religious beliefs with others;
that Satan is a living force, not just a symbol of evil; and that God is the all-knowing, all-powerful maker of the universe who still rules that creation today. “
Now, if that’s “religious dogma” to you, so be it. I really don’t see any belief in this explanation that is so abhorrent as to deserve scorn and denigration.
LOL....yes let’s be politically correct!
LOL! Yup...and so easy to criticize others when you have no single set of standards to gop by for others to criticize as well.
Unless you're counting that among the "prinples" that the Bible teaches, there's a substantial disconnect between that and finding ToE or Old Earth theories blasphemy.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!
OK, then you can hurl your "fundamentalist" pejorative STRAIGHT AT ME!
And I'll wear it giving glory to God.
By the way, did you cut & paste that from somewhere? Just wondering. I'll fully admit to not typing out my worldview.
Careful now, you’re starting to sound like Wiley Coyoteman.
What you don’t realize is there’s zero justification in assereting that if people are given the freedom to present their views in science, it doesn’t mean we’ll automatically be a theocracy.
Or maybe you do and just suppress it.
Frankly, as I said earlier, we’ve already been there, and the irony of the results are that the godless were able to impose THEIR will on the rest of society such that they’ve now done exaclty, EXACTLY to everyone else what they were so afraid of...
science is godless, purposeless, random....etc.
(AGAIN, we’ll leave out the other destructive vacuousness concerning homsexuality and so forth forced on society.)
Whatever the bet was, pay up. Was it greed or pride that prompted you to make that bet in the first place?
Have you looked at the mitochondrial DNA studies yet?
Seems that we’re all, worldwide, descended from one woman who lived around 6500 years ago.
Didn’t really make the bet, but I figured he’d go along with it.
I have to say, it was my experience with people hurling “fundamentalist dogma” around as a pejorative that made me goad you with it - most can’t define it in the least without simply being anti-theistic. Congrats.
I think the oil is where the oil is rather the earth is 10000 years old or 10 ga-jillions of years old.
But what we DO know is godless liberals are busily preventing us from getting to it!
As I said godless liberals are ruining all that they touch.
Same facts, interpreted through different worldviews and base assumptions, coming to disparate conclusions. That's what this whole crevo argument is about.
Science shouldn’t be about winning or losing but honest exploration of ideas. Let them stand up to scrutiny without whining “but that’s not science...pretending you somehow have exclusive rights to the very definition of what science is or isn’t in the first place!
Ever even consider that?
I don’t know....it’s your side that’s whining about keeping science pure from religion while at the same time hijacking the courts to ensure it.
Apparently it’s ok to enforce science through legal action, but it must be kept pure from “religion”?
Seems you’re awfully fearful of something to me!
STILL no explanation of the hot air cult though...apparently that’s OK too...even though it’s been proven beyond all doubt there indeed IS no more debate and if you send your carbon credit money to algore he’ll just buy more jet fuel with it!
But that kind of junk science is just fine apparently!
So you’ll excuse sane people for seeing the truth that godless liberalism is vacuous everywhere ESPECIALLY sicence and that as we all have known from day one...
it’s a God anger issue, having next to nothing to do with science.
When I say "fundamentalist dogma" I mean exactly that, according to the commonly accepted meaning of the words.
I take exception to people who try to mischaracterize "secular" as meaning "atheistic" on the same grounds.
Maybe I’d better back off the hot air cult...in hopes that it’ll play itself out...
the algoreacle gets his religion so fired up they eventually come to the conclusions:
humans emit CO2,
CO2 is evil
the only way out is mass suicide and the algoreacle
is leading them through this darkness to utopia and setting the example for all of them.
There is some confusion around those terms.
The “Secular Humanists”, in their manifesto, declare themselves to be atheists, and Secular Humanism itself a religion.
And even “atheist” is a misnomer for most of these folks. If you don’t believe in pink unicorns, you don’t go around complaining about them and folks that do believe in them.
Most “atheists” these days are “anti-theists”. It’s not that they don’t believe in the Creator and therefore don’t care. They actively seek to remove any vestiges of faith from all aspects of life (and don’t give me the BS that their OK if you practice it in private, I don’t buy it).
It’s a more accurate description of their religion to state that only the elite should be able to emit CO2.
Just because they are confused about the term, doesn’t mean I have to be.
I will certainly accept the possibility that a religion that emphasises submission to the will of God is at a disadvantage when it comes to science. Fortunately, that concept is foreign to Christianity.
On a more serious note, neither religion scores all the points. Scientific thinking originated with the pagan Greeks, was preserved by Muslims, and rediscovered by devout Christians like Galileo and Bruno, who were only too happy to submit to the teachings of the Church. Fortunately the early scientists always put the authority of Genesis over their empirical findings. Otherwise they might have stumbled into heresies like believing the earth moves.
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