Poland...
Posted on 08/20/2008 5:44:39 PM PDT by autumnraine
Russia says its response to the further development of a U.S. missile shield in Poland will go beyond diplomacy.
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So is this a complete threat to the US?
I’m thinking that Putin has lost his ever-lovin mind.
Barak Hussein Obama has vowed to scrap the unproven missile defense program, in order to use the saved money for social welfare.
If it is so unproven, Mr. Obama, Why has Russia threatened to attack Poland if they install it?
I think that is a good question. Of course I think the answer is that Obama wants us to completely fall as a nation.
We should install anti-missile systems in every loving country ringing Russia that we can woo to do so.
They did this to themselves. If I were Poland, the Ukraine or Georgia, I would be clamoring for Americans to have bases on their soil.
Frikking Russians. And some damned people (including some on FR) keep insisting Russia is not our enemy.
All the more reason for us to rapdily exploit our oil fields so we can, in as little as two years, be in a position to start ending our own dependancy and help other allies like Poland.
how does a missle shield “threaten” russia?
they have a right to kill us?
how do you say, "ruh-roh" in diplomatic-speak?
“If it is so unproven, Mr. Obama, Why has Russia threatened to attack Poland if they install it? “
That’s the one big monkey-wrench in the anti-ABM arguments. If it can’t work, why fear it?
So according to Vlad 2009 will be a repeat of 1939 for Poland,... hmmmmmm.
The Russians, much like our current democrats, have always twisted reality to serve their purposes. A “shield” doesn’t threaten anybody but it could give pause to plans for further bullying of former soviet satellite states. That bullying will eventually extend toward western Europe if not checked.
Additionally, throwing fits about missile shields could also be a diversionary tactic for.....even more sinister actions.
yeah.
apparently putin’s voting for mccain.
Tell Putin to grow up. If he wants to return to cold war days and MAD (mutual assured destruction) let’s get it on. To back down to a thug like Putin is not only a cowards way out but it will assure our destruction.
Not us, necessarily, but their neighbors. That seems to be their position, yes: hindering their ability to kill their neighbors is a violation of their rights. This, in turn, gives them a right to kill us. It's quite simple really.
yes.
and the euros don’t seem very concerned.
britain just decided for a more conciliatory role with russia.
Yes, I didn’t see an article posted on that either. That they just pulled out of NATO. What does that mean?
Yes, he wants us to fall so that the “one world” government can emerge where we are no longer the super power. He is a pawn of Satan-—maybe he really is the “one”—the wrong “one”, a puppet of the evil one...I am serious. Ok God time for the smackdown.
No. It simply means that Russia will take precautionary measures to target the systems when they are installed. Missiles will be allocated to take the system out in time of conflict.
Excellent point!!
But we never heard what Putin saw when he looked back into Bush's eyes.
j/k
Why would they be? As always, Russia is only reserving the right to kill Eastern Europeans in countries that don't really count. Western Europeans have never had much of an argument with this idea before; why would they start caring now?
Actually, I've been surprised they've made as much noise about it as they have. I assume it's for show.
I have laughed at the Antichrist stuff for years. I’m not laughing quite so hard anymore.
hindering their ability to kill their neighbors is a violation of their rights. This, in turn, gives them a right to kill us. It’s quite simple really.
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Beautiful, just effin beautiful. I hope our fearless leaders see your point of view.
But that goes without saying. I mean, if it somehow ever came to pass that we were at war with, oh I don't know, Canada we'd take out their sites. If this were all that Russia were saying she wouldn't have said anything.
The real answer is that 40% of Russia's foreign policy strategy is based on trying to say scary things so that other nations will do her bidding. Russia doesn't want these missile-shield sites installed in Poland (for whatever paranoid reason) and so, she is trying to say scary things in the hopes that Westerners will get scared enough that it won't happen.
Whether it will work remains to be seen.
Apparently all has been forgiven about Beslan
Putin stuck his foot in his mouth.
If Russia attacks Poland, I feel he will regret
the day that he did, because the response will be
so overwhelming, and disasterous for the Russian people.
He may want to think, and blink, of what he says. He will get more than he bargained for.
Bullfrog
They have been testing for the last three years and just as recent as 10 days ago they hit every payload!
God Bless Ronald Wilson Regan for the “Star Wars Initiative”. It's going to protect our Country from the likes of Putkin, Chavez and our lurking enemies in the ME>
BTW, this program took more than 20 years to develop.
Just think if we started DRILLING NOW for oil where we would be in 8-10 years.
good points.
there’s a lot of investment now in those eastern euros.
read more Koran
Ding, ding, ding - we have a winnah!
NATO and Russia had a iaison mission. One is based in Moscow. There is also a Branch Office in NATO HQ. It was all part of confidence building measures between the two sides. Russian and NATO ships conducted joint anti-terrorism patrols and international rescue missions etc. Military exercises would be pre-announced and each side would send observers to monitor. Russia will probably now cut all such ties.
http://www.nato.int/issues/liaison_mission_moscow/index.html
ruh roh is right.
Hitler's and Stalin's invasion of Poland started World War 2.
Britain and France had a treaty with Poland to protect it against such invasion. And they honored it by declaring war on Germany.
Vlad the Impaler needs to make sure he wants to take this path, because the last time Russia decided to invade Poland turned out to be darned bloody.
AMEN!!!! (and i rarely use caps).
The President prevented the Russians from using their nuclear arsenal on Poland, and used the threat from Iran (whom Putin has constantly supported) as an excuse.
I’m sure Putin misunderestimated the Pres just like every other one of our enemies.
Poland...
or, they need money!
the checkens, that is.
anybody vacationed in beautiful grozny?
He isn’t. Poland is a full NATO member. What the Russian hotheads are saying is that in accepting the U.S. ABM base Poland has just earned itself some pre-targeted instant buckets of sunshine if an all out war breaks out and it goes nuclear. By that time it will be mutually assured destruction and Europe, Russia and North America will all be glass parking lots.
If so, the only question becomes,
1. Are the Russians so dumb they don't understand that this would go without saying?, or
2. Do they think we're so dumb we don't understand that this goes without saying?
Again, your version of what Russia's saying would be like saying if Canada launches nukes against us, we'll launch nukes against them. Such a thing is probably the truth. But so? When was this not true? And why would anyone say this, because why would Canada launch nukes against us in the first place?
Similarly, why would Russia emphasize that if they were in a war (against?) NATO, they would take out Poland's missile sites? so what? and why would "an all out war break out" between Russia and NATO of all things, in the first place? Wars just don't "break out" randomly for no reason, like acne. What exactly do the two sides have to fight a war over, besides Russia's recent idiotic behavior? This still boils down to Russia's paranoia. Poland doesn't want to attack freaking Russia, for crying out loud, and neither do we. Who the hell wants to attack Russia? Who the hell even wants any part of Russia?
Either Russian leaders are very good at bluffing and pretending to be paranoid, or they are genuinely paranoid.
Your interpretation of these statements from Russia is far more innocent (and rational) than the reality.
It’s more of a tantrum because the shield has just neutered Russia’s attack dog Iran,
Who says they will use nukes? I think they might unleash biowarfare quitely while distracting with nuke bluster...a weaponized flu virus perhaps.
The problem with your statement is that it assumes that one would ever think that any demoncrat candidate would ever hold a position based on actual merits of the position. All liberal candidates make statements to garner votes, never taking into account the veracity of the position. Hence why no demoncrat should ever step foot in the White House other than to receive a good dressing down by a Republican President.
Would NATO protect Poland ?
Could NATO protect Poland ?
Would the EU put up any fight at all ?
Or is Putin bluffing ?
Remember, Europe is increasingly dependant on Russia for oil and, especially, natural gas.
We should fire up our Liberty Ships in anticipation of sending coal to Poland. Let’s send them the dirtiest stuff we can find. They can site their coal plants so that all the crap blows downwind onto Russia.
Well, technically, as a NATO member, in the event of an attack by Russia, all members are required to come to Poland’s aid. And since Poland is also an EU member, it will draw the entire EU into the conflict, as well.
Because the Russians claim that those same missile silos can be used to launch offensive missiles at them.
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