Posted on 08/23/2008 8:40:26 PM PDT by forkinsocket
An ancient monastery adjacent to where, according to Christian tradition, Jesus ate the Last Supper, has turned into a legal battleground for Catholics and Jews.
Last week the High Court of Justice issued a temporary restraining order halting construction work by a Jewish organization in a Franciscan monastery on Jerusalem's Mount Zion adjacent to the Cenaculum, the Latin term for the room where the Last Supper was held.
The court also issued an order preventing the Jewish organization - the Institute for the Study of the Family and Family Laws in Israel - from moving people in to live in the monastery, known as the Franciscan house, just outside the Dormition Church.
David Bartholdy, spokesman for Tancredi, a Catholic organization that petitioned the High Court, said the construction infringed on Christians' freedom of worship.
"This is a holy place for Christians of all denominations," Bartholdy said in a telephone interview with The Jerusalem Post on Thursday. "Work being done there is causing serious damage to a monastery with important historical and religious value. Construction workers have already uprooted ancient floor tiling, scraped off a layer of plaster from the walls, broken down antique, chiseled doors, and all this under the supervision of the Antiquities Authority.
"The construction work going on at the site raises the suspicion that someone is trying to Judaize a Catholic site and prevent freedom of religious expression."
The Institute for the Study of the Family and Family Laws in Israel was established by former religious affairs minister Avner Shaki. Shaki died in 2005.
In response to Tancredi's petition, attorney Ya'acov Weinroth, who is representing the institute, wrote that Bartholdy had issued an erroneous affidavit claiming that the institute planned to move residents into the building.
"The assets belong to the institute since the 1970s and the offices and its workers have operated from there. Proper upkeep of the building necessitates refurbishing from time to time and the institute received the permission of the Antiquities Authority to do so," Weinroth wrote.
In the 15th century the Catholic Church lost control of the buildings on Mount Zion.
The upper room of the same building is known as the Room of the Descent of the Holy Spirit. On the first floor is "David's Tomb."
In chapter two of the Acts of Apostles, Peter describes the place, mentioning that it is near David's Tomb.
During his visit to Israel in 2000, Pope John Paul II held Mass in the Cenaculum.
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Another real estate disagreement which will get worked out. The article doesn't make it entirely clear, but the property is owned by a private organization. IMO if they're moved, or barred from using their property, they should be made whole.
This isn't a Churches, museums, or national monuments, never was, it's private property.
Now someone is raising the issue, and Israel has stopped construction.
By the owner of the property, on their own property.
I think that's fine, and hopefully they won't suffer too much financial loss.
But to characterize that as Jews or Moslems have been trying to take over the sacred sites for centuries is at best, truely absurd.
BTW, parts of the Mount of Olives have been bulldozed. Are you equally outraged at Jordan?
Am sure it would not bother you to have the Mount of Olives and Calvary bulldozed to build condos. You are shortsighted and void of values.
BTW, parts of the Mount of Olives have been bulldozed. Are you equally outraged at Jordan?
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Am just amazed at how short-sighted and uncaring you are about a site that is absolutely spiritually and historically important to all Christians.
Must be some religion you belong to in that old dance hall. Perhaps you are not telling us your real faith or lack thereof.
I'm Jewish, which is irrelevant, and my level of observence is not of your business.
I haven't a clue about the dancehall you're talking about.
As to this site, I haven't a clue as to it's legitimacy.
It's private property. The owners began remodeling of their porperty.
Another group complained, citing the fact that it's a historical site.
Israel made a decision.
They said STOP the construction.
Let me repeat, STOP!!!, the alternative being GO AHEAD AND REMODEL THE PLACE
And you're angry with the Israeli government for STOPPING THE CONSTRUCTION.
And you make the absurd claim that Jews have been destroying Christian sites for centuries? What do you base that on, the neocon Zionist Brits or the neocon Zionist Ottomans, cause that's who ran the place for the centuries you're concerned with.
You need to read a little more carefully and think out your responses, lest you appear to be a troll.
I think that’s fine, and hopefully they won’t suffer too much financial loss.
But to characterize that as Jews or Moslems have been trying to take over the sacred sites for centuries is at best, truely absurd.
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We can see where your values are - financial not spiritual nor concerned with knowledge. Sad.
Try to learn history. Try to improve from your intellectual poverty.
Am sure it would not bother you to have the Mount of Olives and Calvary bulldozed to build condos. You are shortsighted and void of values.
BTW, parts of the Mount of Olives have been bulldozed. Are you equally outraged at Jordan?
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Am just amazed at how short-sighted and uncaring you are about a site that is absolutely spiritually and historically important to all Christians.
Must be some religion you belong to in that old dance hall. Perhaps you are not telling us your real faith or lack thereof.
Right, I'm not really a Jew, I'm an "other religion", or "lacking in faith"
I'm really sorry, I realize you'd like to see the construction go on and the site demolished, it would give you something to whine about.
I think Israel made the right decision, halt the construction.
And no, not for financial concerns, I've no interest in this place.
It it all right to destroy the wailing wall? I hope not. Tearing apart and down the site of the Last Supper is not all right. Being selfish, uncaring and unthinking of others is not a trait to be proud of or to advertise.
Standing up for right is not whining. That is Marxist rhetoric. Are you a member of the MSM?
It's not moron, so why keep advertising your lack of reading comprehension.
I'm curious, why do you ignore my responses?
I've noted three times that the proper action was to stop construction. Which is what happened, and what you're complaining about.
Yet you completely misrepresent my posts by saying It it all right to destroy the wailing wall? I hope not. Tearing apart and down the site of the Last Supper is not all right. Being selfish, uncaring and unthinking of others is not a trait to be proud of or to advertise.
If you're stupid, well, that's ok, you write pretty well for an incoherent one.
If you're a bigot, you need to work on your style. Others can read, and recognize that you're simply repeating a "talking point" ad infinitum. Irrespective of the responses you're receiving.
In any cast, you're not a talented troll, so unless you've got something really provocative to say about me or Jews, I'm probably not going to bother with you.
Sorry, you misunderstood me. Rather than whining, I was suggesting you're lying about the incident, and about my responses.
For the reading impared, I'm calling you a liar.
And no, I'm not surprised you suggest I'm a marxist, after suggesting that I'm only concerned with financial interests in suggesting the construction be stopps.
And yes, in my last post I suggested you might be a bigot.
Have a nice day Linden!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Knock it off!
How very "Christ-like" and loving of you to share your opinion like that.
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Let me clarify. RM is not here right now and he’s much more lenient that I am. One more nasty comment from either of you will result in a 7 day suspension.
Keep that in mind before you post again.
The Upper Room: a sukkah during Sukkot, when palm fronds for their roofs would have been at their greatest abundance.
It’s a simple problem, in my view Israel made the correct decision by stopping construction, but that’s just my opinion, I suppose some people think the place should be dismantled.
I’ve pointed that out to linden quite clearly. A child could understand the problem. Two choices, stop the construction and analyze the site, or allow it to continue and destroy the site.
Given that rather clear explanation, you’ll note that from post 24 on, for advocating preserving the site, and after identifying myself as a Jew which is an obligatory question for some people, I’ve been attacked for being shortsighted, uncaring, practicing a dance hall religion, not practicing the dance hall religion, aka Judaism, properly, being a member of the MSM, and, of course the obligatory you’re a Marxist rant.
I think post 25, 31, and 32 describe the issue well, and rather directly represent my position on linden’s rants, which have absolutely no basis in fact.
As you note I indicated in my last post I've no interest in responding to this nonsense, but if I'm going to be subjected to the msm, communist, dance hall religion, nonsense, you bet I'm going to respond directly. As I suspect you would.
Well said, SJackson. Somehow I became anti-Catholic. Maybe because I quoted the Bible? I can’t say for sure.
“I wasn't aware that site had mattered to Thomas. ”It was your clever play-on of site/sight.
The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
John 20:25
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