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U.S. immigration cops nab 595 in largest-ever raid
Reuters ^ | 8/26/08

Posted on 08/26/2008 4:55:35 PM PDT by traviskicks

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To: leakinInTheBlueSea
Elizabeth Alegria, 26, a Mexican immigrant, was working at the plant Monday when ICE agents stormed in. When they found out she has two sons, ages 4 and 9, she was fitted with a bracelet and told to appear in federal court next month.

Message to illegals: Bring your kids and cutting torches. Even if you get arrested, they will put a bracelet on you and you just remove it.

Message to importers of sex slaves: same as above

Message to the pro-open-borders media: Your stories about parents being separated from their children are working.

81 posted on 08/27/2008 5:45:16 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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To: traviskicks

So forget the rule of law, right?


82 posted on 08/27/2008 6:57:40 AM PDT by Cheesel (The Ark was built by amateurs, the Titanic by professionals.)
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To: leakinInTheBlueSea

Amen. I hate that thing about ‘breaking up families’. Guess they should have thought about it before having FAMILIES here.


83 posted on 08/27/2008 7:01:32 AM PDT by Cheesel (The Ark was built by amateurs, the Titanic by professionals.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
With all due respect Travis. This is where I get off the libertarian train.

Same here. 

In short, get rid of the welfare state FIRST. Than come and talk to me.

Yup. Our energies should be directed to dismantling the welfare state.  Only heartless bastards would keep the slavery of the welfare state intact.

84 posted on 08/27/2008 7:31:41 AM PDT by zeugma (Mark Steyn For Global Dictator!)
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To: arthurus; budwiesest
Immigration and Usurpation - Real reason why your Senator wants this immigration amnesty bill

Read the above. It's well worth your time, and a lot of trends that are happening that seem to be unrelated will start making lots of sense.



85 posted on 08/27/2008 7:47:29 AM PDT by zeugma (Mark Steyn For Global Dictator!)
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To: azhenfud
“LMAO! You do know a LEGAL guest worker program already exists, right? It's called a H2-A visa issued by the DOL.”

I think he's talking about a guest worker program to bring people in to work long term jobs. The H2-A visa is for seasonal agricultural work, peach pickers and whatnot who come for a few months and then have to go home. The employer will end up paying something like $1,500 each to get those visas before it's all said and done and that can really add up when they need a lot of people for the harvest. Farmers use a lot of these though because they really can't get anyone else to come work hard for just a few months or a few weeks. The H2-B is for non agricultural workers but it is still for seasonal temporary employment. There aren't really long term work visas for low wage unskilled labor types though. Immigrants with legitimate papers who are working those types of jobs usually got those papers through some sort of family based immigration petitions, or maybe they are Salvadorians on Temporary Protected Status or are in some other special program like that. Most aliens with permission to work will have gotten that by marrying a citizen, having a citizen father or mother or or adult child petition for them, and so on. There is no guest worker program per se for regular people working regular low wage type jobs on a long term basis. That just doesn't exist.

86 posted on 08/27/2008 8:53:34 AM PDT by TKDietz
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Let’s see, what about going to all the meat packing plants......


87 posted on 08/27/2008 8:54:49 AM PDT by unique
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To: zeugma

How true! A very long read but worth it. I found this section quite interesting.

While I can recall many accolades for the Mexican immigrants and for Mexican-Americans (one white congressman even gave me a “high five” when recalling that Californian Hispanics were headed for majority status), I remember few instances when a legislator spoke well of his or her white constituents. One even called them “rednecks,” and apologized to us on their behalf for their incorrect attitude on immigration. Most of them seemed to advocate changing the ethnic composition of the United States as an end in itself. Jefferson and Madison would have perhaps understood why this is so—enthusiasm for mass immigration seems to be correlated with examples of undermining the “just and constitutional laws” they devised.

Mexicans are kind and hardworking, with a legendary hospitality, and unlike some European nations, harbor little popular ambitions to impose models or ideologies on others. However, Mexicans are seemingly unable to produce anything but corrupt and tyrannical rulers, oftentimes even accepting them as the norm, unaffected by allegations of graft or abuse.8 Mexico, and Latin American societies in general, seem to suffer from what an observer called “moral relativism,” accepting the “natural progress” of the political class rather than challenging it, and also appearing more susceptible to “miracle solutions” and demagogic political appeals. Mexican intellectuals speak of the corrosive effects of Mexican culture on the institutions needed to make democracy work, and surveys reveal that most of the population accepts and expects corruption from the political class.9 A sociological study conducted throughout the region found that Latin Americans are indeed highly susceptible to clientelismo, or partaking in patron-client relations, and that Mexico was high even by regional standards.10

When thinking of populating as a way of obtaining power, perhaps these U.S. legislators, rather than from the statesman Sarmiento, took an unconscious cue from another Latin American leader who used migration and ethnic policy for less laudable goals. Mexican President Luis Echeverría (1970-76), who began the cycle of political violence and economic crisis from which the country has yet to recover, pursued a policy of moving hundreds of thousands of impoverished people from the country’s south to the more prosperous and dynamic northern states, where they remain to this day, mostly in shantytowns. His goal was to neutralize those states’ more active civic culture that threatened his power—as these states were at the time the main source of opposition to his dictatorial ambitions. These pauperized and dependent migrants and their offspring would provide a ready source of votes for the ruling party along with a mobilizeable mass to counter (politically as well as physically) the more civic-oriented middle classes of those northern states and “crack” their will to challenge his corporatist regime. Along with other extra-constitutional tools (he almost succeeded in canceling the constitution to remain indefinitely as president), migration from undeveloped areas was used by Echeverría as “politics by other means.” Echeverría, in other words, was the ultimate knave.


88 posted on 08/27/2008 10:01:32 AM PDT by ozarkgirl (If McCain can vote on the basis of principle and conscience over party, so can I.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
In short, get rid of the welfare state FIRST.

That's the point, put the priority on attacking socialism then the immigration debate becomes much different.
89 posted on 08/27/2008 10:14:05 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: traviskicks


While federal officials are continuing to determine the citizenship of hundreds of employees at a Jones County manufacturing plant, local officials are working to find people to work at the facility.

http://www.leadercall.com/local/local_story_240093537.html
90 posted on 08/27/2008 10:35:58 AM PDT by Islander7 ("Common sense and common decency are uncommon virtues among America's left.")
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To: traviskicks

If you have any contacts within the Libertarian Party as you study for your doctoral thesis or whatever, can you please tell them to stop shooting their mouth off about amnesty and open borders as a “philosophical” argument until after they have ended the welfare state and all entitlement programs.

I would like to go back to the simpler times at the turn of the last century, too. But let’s be realistic. The Welfare state and social programs aren’t going anywhere anytime soon. It’s a magnet.


91 posted on 08/27/2008 9:23:55 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: ozarkgirl

great selection. The bottom line IMO, is the political class in the U.S. wants a more pliable electorate


92 posted on 08/27/2008 9:53:49 PM PDT by zeugma (Mark Steyn For Global Dictator!)
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