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Military help for Georgia is a 'declaration of war', says Moscow
thisislondon.co.uk ^ | Wednesday 27.08.08

Posted on 08/27/2008 12:53:44 PM PDT by lizol

Military help for Georgia is a 'declaration of war', says Moscow in extraordinary warning to the West

Last updated at 16:47pm on 27.08.08

Moscow has issued an extraordinary warning to the West that military assistance to Georgia for use against South Ossetia or Abkhazia would be viewed as a "declaration of war" by Russia.

The extreme rhetoric from the Kremlin's envoy to NATO came as President Dmitry Medvedev stressed he will make a military response to US missile defence installations in eastern Europe, sending new shudders across countries whose people were once blighted by the Iron Curtain.

And Moscow also emphasised it was closely monitoring what it claims is a build-up of NATO firepower in the Black Sea.

The incendiary warning on Western military involvement in Georgia - where NATO nations have long played a role in training and equipping the small state - came in an interview with Dmitry Rogozin, a former nationalist politician who is now ambassador to the North Atlantic Alliance.

"If NATO suddenly takes military actions against Abkhazia and South Ossetia, acting solely in support of Tbilisi, this will mean a declaration of war on Russia," he stated.

Yesterday likened the current world crisis to the fevered atmosphere before the start of the First World War.

Rogozin said he did not believe the crisis would descend to war between the West and Russia.

But his use of such intemperate language will be seen as dowsing a fire with petrol.

Top military figure Colonel General Leonid Ivashov, president of the Academy of Geopolitical Studies in Moscow, alleged that the US and NATO had been arming Georgia as a dress rehearsal for a future military operation in Iran.

"We are close to a serious conflict - U.S. and NATO preparations on a strategic scale are ongoing. In the operation the West conducted on Georgian soil against Russia - South Ossetians were the victims or hostages of it - we can see a rehearsal for an attack on Iran."

He claimed Washington was fine tuning a new type of warfare and that the threat of an attack on Iran was growing by the day bringing "chaos and instability" in its wake.

With the real architect of the worsening Georgian conflict - prime minister Vladimir Putin - remaining in the background, Medvedev followed up on Rogozin's broadside with a threat to use the Russian military machine to respond to the deployment of the American anti-missile defence system in Poland and the Czech republic.

Poland agreed this month to place ten interceptor missiles on its territory, and Moscow has already hinted it would become a nuclear target for Russia in the event of conflict.

"These missiles are close to our borders and constitute a threat to us," Medvedev told Al-Jazeera television. "This will create additional tension and we will have to respond to it in some way, naturally using military means."

The Russian president said that offering NATO membership to Georgia and Ukraine, two former Soviet republics, would only aggravate the situation.

Moscow has consistently expressed its opposition to the U.S. missile shield, saying it threatens its national security.

The U.S. claims the shield is designed to thwart missile attacks by what it calls "rogue states," including Iran.

Meanwhile, Russia - seen by the West as flouting international law - today demanded NATO abide by an obscure agreement signed before the Second World War limiting its warships in the Black Sea.

"In light of the build-up of NATO naval forces in the Black Sea, our fleet has also taken on the task of monitoring their activities," said hawkish deputy head of Russia's general staff, Anatoly Nogovitsyn.

The Montreux Convention, as it is called, sets a weight restriction of 45,000 tonnes on the number of warships that countries outside the Black Sea region can deploy in the basin.

"Can NATO indefinitely build up its forces and means there? It turns out it cannot," said Nogovitsyn.

NATO has said it is undertaking pre-arranged exercises in the Black Sea involving US, German, Spanish and Polish ships. Two other US warships sailed to Georgian waters with humanitarian aid.

Georgia is poised to sever diplomatic relations with Russia, or reduce them to a bare minimum.

"We will drastically cut our diplomatic ties with Russia," said a top official.

President Mikhail Saakashvili said he was frightened to leave Georgia to attend the EU summit on the crisis.

"If I leave Georgia, the Russians will close our airspace and prevent me from returning home," he said.

Russia sought Chinese backing for its action - but the Communist regime in Beijing appeared reluctant to offer support, instead issuing a statement saying it was "concerned" about recent developments.

NATO called for Russia to reverse its decision on recognition for the two enclaves, both Georgian under international law.

But the new 'president' of South Ossetia, Eduard Kokoyty, called for Russian military bases on his territory.

French foreign minister Bernard Kouchner warned today that an marauding Russian bear could trample over other ex-Soviet states.

"That is very dangerous," he said, pointing at Ukraine and Moldova.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: abkhazia; blacksea; geopolitics; georgia; putin; rogozin; russia; southossetia; war
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To: Owl_Eagle
"I believe I speak for everyone here, when I say in these dangerous and uncertain times, we need a steady hand like Barack Obama's."

I hope your nose didn't damage your computer monitor when you typed that!

41 posted on 08/27/2008 2:24:05 PM PDT by Redleg Duke ("All gave some, and some gave all!")
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To: lizol

Get some russia our airforce and navy are completely free to pound you at will. They are not tied up at all.

http://images.military.com/Video/060719_lowdrag.wmv


44 posted on 08/27/2008 2:45:15 PM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: jagusafr
I think we need to tread carefully here. The Israeli's had the same view of the Egyptians and their new SAM's back in 1973. There is no one to bail us out if things go badly.

The Athenian disaster at Syracuse in 415 B.C. also comes to mind. The Black Sea is a bad place of the US Navy to operate out of.

45 posted on 08/27/2008 2:46:33 PM PDT by Left2Right ("It's going to be a long eight years...")
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To: valkyry1
Russia is trying to start a war, that is certain.

Very doubtful.

They know full well that the West will do precisely diddly about the situation.

War is about conviction and will, and right now the West has neither.

Putin and his generals laugh...

46 posted on 08/27/2008 2:49:13 PM PDT by TChris (Vote John McCain: Democrat Lite -- 3% less liberal than a regular Democrat!)
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To: lizol

So how does the airpower thingy work out here? What would be the consequences for Tibilisi? I believe we have pledged the rearm Georgia. Medvedev gave an interview to BBC yesterday in which he stated that Georgia would not be permitted to rearm. So we’re going to wrestle with the bear in his own den, over Georgia’s determination to lord it over a “disputed territory” where it is despised, and from which it was ejected some 18 years ago? Yeah, let’s just follow the chest-pounders over the cliff. I’m sure the Poles and French will be right behind us.


47 posted on 08/27/2008 2:50:50 PM PDT by 1ifbyland
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To: lizol

This one is better quality

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vWfsUt_8NA


48 posted on 08/27/2008 2:56:14 PM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: lizol
“Russia sought Chinese backing for its action - but the Communist regime in Beijing appeared reluctant to offer support, instead issuing a statement saying it was “concerned” about recent developments”.

Now that little tidbit jumped out at me......what do you think that could mean??....are the ChiComs looking for a little bear meat chunk for themselves in the east of russia ?? This is getting curiouser and curiouser

49 posted on 08/27/2008 3:03:03 PM PDT by mick
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To: lizol
Well, looks like they have drawn two lines in the sand. One in Poland and one in Georgia.

I say we return the favor. Say that any more arms sales to Venezuela, Syria, or Iran will be an act of war. For it seems that the Bear wants war.

50 posted on 08/27/2008 3:10:57 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: mick
Hmm.

It might mean that China is a little mad at Russia for distracting from their Games. This was China's coming out party, and that little dust up clouded it somewhat.

And it might mean that China is not happy that her ancient enemy Russia is getting warlike again.

51 posted on 08/27/2008 3:13:27 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: lizol

So much for Obambi’s “securing our nation’s future” message. McCain can start naming his foreign policy staff now, and the house and Senate can start planning out their foreign affairs committees memberships & chairs.


52 posted on 08/27/2008 3:13:53 PM PDT by sanchmo
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To: lizol

We need to send in TROOPS to GEORGIA - they are our friends - UNLIKE the Russia!!


53 posted on 08/27/2008 3:21:59 PM PDT by RightWingTeen (Support FREE education - Homeschool and FREE your kids from SOCIALISM!)
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To: ladtx
OK, Obama, what’s your answer to this?

His answer? "Uh, Um...we um, where is that teleprompter...umm, we need ...uh, ummm, what was that question again?"

After getting the question: "I hmmm, Ugh... I will have..hmmm... my friend Jimmy Carter go to Atlanta and talk to the Russians there." LOL

54 posted on 08/27/2008 3:25:45 PM PDT by RightWingTeen (Support FREE education - Homeschool and FREE your kids from SOCIALISM!)
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To: lizol

We need a good Obama speech and we need it now.


55 posted on 08/27/2008 3:50:56 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: lizol
[snip]Medvedev followed up on Rogozin's broadside with a threat to use the Russian military machine to respond to the deployment of the American anti-missile defence system in Poland and the Czech republic.

...and it means means war if they do so. Sounds like the Russian are becoming a rogue state on their own.

56 posted on 08/27/2008 4:09:15 PM PDT by The Toad
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To: LIConFem

“Kinda makes ya wonder if Patton wasn’t right.”

I’m certain Eisenhower was very wrong, and should have heeded Churchill’s counsel more closely. With every passing decade, Eisenhower’s legacy (like Carter and Clinton) diminishes in stature.


57 posted on 08/27/2008 4:15:15 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Left2Right

If we were limited to naval/littoral ops, I would agree wholeheartedly. We shape the battlespace from ground to sea to air to space. I like our chances, even in the Black Sea area.

Colonel, USAFR


58 posted on 08/27/2008 6:12:00 PM PDT by jagusafr ("Bugs, Mr. Rico! Zillions of 'em!" - Robert Heinlein)
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To: lizol
Rogozin is a nazi. Here's his racist campaign commercial promisimg to sweep watermelon-eating immigrant "garbage" from Russia's streets. He is a good representative for genocidal Nazi Russia.
59 posted on 08/27/2008 8:42:25 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: jagusafr
"Call it sabre-rattling, it’s just fact."
Well, I don't have a saber to rattle, but I do have a longsword.

Does that count?
60 posted on 08/27/2008 11:11:25 PM PDT by Fichori (Obama's "Change we can believe in" means changing everything you love about America. For the worse.)
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