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Guns and Suicide in the United States
The New England Journal of Medicine ^ | September 4, 2008 | Matthew Miller, M.D., Sc.D., and David Hemenway, Ph.D.

Posted on 09/03/2008 6:58:42 PM PDT by neverdem

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The nanny state/health nazis seem rather agitated with two months to go.

If history is a guide, this is a good omen, IHMO.

1 posted on 09/03/2008 6:58:43 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Nanny State Ping.


2 posted on 09/03/2008 7:00:37 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: neverdem

Japan has a much higher suicide rate. They must have more access to guns, that would explain it!


3 posted on 09/03/2008 7:03:10 PM PDT by DBrow
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In 2005, an average of 46 Americans per day committed suicide with a firearm. Gun suicide during this period accounted for 40% more deaths than gun homicide.

That makes perfect sense. The only reason the homicide numbers aren't higher is because in many instances homicides are prevented by the presence of another gun.

It seems I've read somewhere that more crimes are prevented by a homeowner brandishing a firearm than are committed.

4 posted on 09/03/2008 7:04:44 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (What do Barack Obama and a bowl of chili have in common?)
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To: Army Air Corps
What a pantload.

In gun-free Japan, the per-capita suicide rate is several times that of America.

5 posted on 09/03/2008 7:06:57 PM PDT by Skibane
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To: neverdem
But the Supreme Court's finding of a Second Amendment right to have a handgun in the home does not mean that it is a wise decision to own a gun or to keep it easily accessible.

I agree it is a very bad idea to keep a loaded gun in the house.

It's much better to keep multiple loaded guns throughout the house so they are easily accessible no matter where you are or what the circumstances.

:-)

6 posted on 09/03/2008 7:07:21 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Joe Biden's first wife Neilia Hunter killed herself and their daughter.)
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To: neverdem

Want to drive the MSM crazy? Buy as many guns as you can afford between now and November. That should get them thinking.


7 posted on 09/03/2008 7:07:49 PM PDT by anonsquared
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To: neverdem

I think a lot of physician assisted suicide “doctors” are starting to become concerned about something that might cause a decrease in their business. Like everyone else, they really need the money. They have mouths at home to feed.


8 posted on 09/03/2008 7:08:15 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (McCain/Palin '08! Real change you won't have to "believe in." You'll be able to see it!!!)
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To: Skibane

People kill people.


9 posted on 09/03/2008 7:09:45 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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To: neverdem

My mother killed herself with a gun. She planned it out for over a week. If she hadn’t had a gun, she would have used pills or another method. Blaming guns is just silly.


10 posted on 09/03/2008 7:11:11 PM PDT by NinoFan
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To: neverdem
Since 2 million or so people use guns to defend themselves each year, that means a gun is about 120 times more likely to be used for self defense than a suicide. And it doesn't follow that none of them would have committed suicide by other means if they didn't have a gun.
11 posted on 09/03/2008 7:11:52 PM PDT by Hugin (Mecca delenda est!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

And 100,000 patients die a needless death every year in hospitals because of mistakes caused by doctors.

Therefore, these pompous quacks should shut their damn pie holes about the Second Amendment and firearms, of which they know nothing. These MD types should get their OWN act together.


12 posted on 09/03/2008 7:13:42 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (McCain - Palin......May they win in a landslide on November 4th !)
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To: neverdem
http://www.who.int/mental_health/prevention/suicide/suiciderates/en/

Here is the WHO list alphabetically.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

Wikipedia sorted it, the USA is something like 49th rank globally, and most of the people that “beat” us don't allow citizens to mess around with guns like we do here.

OK, someone do a quick “peer review” and I'll collect the charge for doing this “study”.

NEJM’s study from ‘99 worked this way- they reviewed police reports, and when they found a suicide by gun, they went a certain distance away, and checked to see if the people living there had committed suicide by gun or had a gun. They then corrected this for age, race, gender and income (without explaining how). They arrived at the startling conclusion that you were 40 times more likely to commit suicide using a gun, than if you didn't have a gun. There were several flaws with the data but it was cited here.

I checked my gun club, where almost everyone owns a gun, and checked with the clubs we affiliate with, and found the suicide rate over ten years to be zero (unless you count two DUI car accidents). That must mean there is a population somewhere with a huge suicide rate, to make up the 40x rate!

13 posted on 09/03/2008 7:15:18 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: NinoFan

My mom didn’t have a gun. Pills did the trick quite to her desire.


14 posted on 09/03/2008 7:15:40 PM PDT by digger48
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To: Army Air Corps

Ping? Maybe after Sarah Palin’s speech.


15 posted on 09/03/2008 7:18:19 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: NinoFan
I am sorry for your loss. My late wife did the same thing. I hid all of the weapons and she had one that I wasn't aware. Bipolar individuals will find a way, the loss of those affected with bipolarism reaches around 90%.
16 posted on 09/03/2008 7:19:00 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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Guns in the home may increase suicide risk

Why post that when the real McCoy was free, open access? If their conclusion were otherwise, I doubt it would have been a FReebie.

17 posted on 09/03/2008 7:20:02 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: neverdem
Wow, for once my Sociology Classes have come in handy!

This is absolute BS, the Suicide rate in this country has shown no significant change in the past 50 years. suicidal people will kill themselves regardless of their access or lack of access to a gun.

18 posted on 09/03/2008 7:20:46 PM PDT by txroadkill (Sarah Palin-- Vote for her?!? Hell, I want to marry her!)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Understandable, good sir!


19 posted on 09/03/2008 7:21:34 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: neverdem
If you want the facts go to http://www.gunfacts.info/
20 posted on 09/03/2008 7:22:33 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you"--John Steinbeck)
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