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Two things McCain should do today (vanity, but substantial [?])
9/11/08 | Daniel J. Phillips

Posted on 09/11/2008 4:45:34 AM PDT by BibChr

This has become the first (mirabile dictu) well-run GOP Presidential campaign in recent memory. But I do hope they're preparing for two major eventualities which could become derailing distractions.

Not long ago, I would have said "well-run GOP Presidential campaign" had become an oxymoron. And I'd never have guessed that I'd be applying the phrase to anything related in any way to John McCain, who was about my 479th pick out of the GOP field. But give the man his due: this has become a well-oiled, disciplined, focused machine. The selection of Palin was a daring act of sheer brilliance.

But now two threats loom, and I dearly hope Team McCain is ready to counter both.

First, I'm increasingly worried that Obama is going to throw Biden under the bus, and beg Hillary! to save him. His ego craves the offices, so he'd have something to write about in his next memoir. Her ego craves power, so she'd do it. The only question is whether Biden's ego would allow it.

So Team McCain must be pro-active. Here's one way:

The key was laid down by another non-favorite of mine, Rudy Giuliani. We all admit he gave a terrific speech at the Convention. In that speech, Giuliani traced out a number of Obama reverse-courses and fliop-flops.

Then he said: "Well, I’ll tell you, if I were Joe Biden, I’d want to get that V.P. thing in writing."

That's it. That's the key. We need to frame this that, if Biden is off the ticket for any reason, it's yet another disastrous Obama flip-flop.

Because never forget: we all love the Biden choice. He's the gift that keeps on giving.

So they have to get signs, slogans, and spokesmen all over the place saying, "Obama's in big trouble. Who is he going to sacrifice now to save himself? Is he going to throw Biden under the bus, and beg Hillary to save him? Is he that desperate, and that aware of his unfitness to serve?"

We need to make that a meme.

Thanks, Rudy.

Second, Team McCain needs to ready further for attacks on Palin's religious faith.

I can be briefer here, because I've written on it elsewhere. First, I laid out the premise, and gave a number of questions that she is almost sure to be asked by bloodthirsty LSM sharks.

Then I added to that list.

Then I gave a two-part detailed suggestion as to how she should think about and approach the situation: Part One; Part Two.

Of course, those are my suggestions, and wiser minds can improve on them.

My point is they need to be ready. Don't do the Huckabee, oh-my-gosh-I-had-no-idea-I'd-get-questions-like-this thing. That'd be a disaster.


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1 posted on 09/11/2008 4:45:34 AM PDT by BibChr
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To: BibChr
His ego craves the offices, so he'd have something to write about in his next memoir. Her ego craves power, so she'd do it. The only question is whether Biden's ego would allow it.

I disagree with you here.

No way is Hillary going to want to jump in now.

Firstly, too many of her supporters HATE Obama and they'd have to also vote for him, in order to vote for her.

Secondly, if Hillary were VP and they pulled off a win in November, the Dem's would be in such bad shape by 2012, that Hillary would never, ever get a chance to run for President again (she'd be too old by the time the Dem's have another shot, given what a four-year, Obama-lead Presidency would do to this country).

Thirdly (and lastly), Obama would look like a huge pu**y if he changed his running mate right now. The only people who would not switch to McCain/Palin would be the one's who would never switch in the first place. And there's no way he's going to get 50% (or close) that way.

2 posted on 09/11/2008 4:51:40 AM PDT by library user
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To: BibChr
I agree that the "Torricelli Option" is always on the table for Dems, but I am beginning to think that Hillary has no interest in being the secondo to a sinking ship. She is better poised to let Obama go down and be the party savior in '12. So who does he pick? Granholm? Pathetic. Plus the McCain ads write themselves.

On the religious front, I am pretty sure that the campaign doesn't want to go there, because of Jeremiah, the bullfrog.

Time will tell, of course, but I agree that this campaign appears to be doing a good job and I am willing to let them go with it (rather than calling me for my brilliant advice!)

3 posted on 09/11/2008 4:52:05 AM PDT by ajwharton
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To: BibChr
but substantial [?]

No, not really. But whatever.

4 posted on 09/11/2008 4:54:41 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("McCain and Palin: The Normal People Revolution" ~ rrrod)
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To: BibChr

COLORADO AND NEVADA
COLORADO AND NEVADA
COLORADO AND NEVADA


5 posted on 09/11/2008 4:56:05 AM PDT by tomymind
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To: library user

Fourthly, Hillary will not take the VP candidacy because it eliminates her main weapon(and defense), “victimhood”! She would no longer be able to use it were she to run against a woman. It is one of the reasons she has not attacked Palin while stumping for zer0bama.


6 posted on 09/11/2008 5:00:59 AM PDT by Roccus (Someday it will all make sense............maybe.)
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To: BibChr
Your analysis is right on.

One question that needs to be asked is why Baraq Hussein Obama is running so hard against the VP candidate? Is it because he just doesn't measure up to McCain?

Expect the dims to get much deeper in the gutter - that's their habitat.

7 posted on 09/11/2008 5:09:53 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Just your average "Whitey" - bitterly clinging to my guns and religion.)
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To: ajwharton

I agree. I don’t think Hillary wants anything really to do with the Obamanation. She’s looking at 2012.


8 posted on 09/11/2008 5:11:44 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: ajwharton
So who does he pick? Granholm?

Couldn't if he wanted to. She was born in Canada.
9 posted on 09/11/2008 5:13:37 AM PDT by MaryFromMichigan
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To: library user

“Thirdly (and lastly), Obama would look like a huge pu**y if he changed his running mate right now.”

He looks like a huge pu**y right now. No need for waiting on that!


10 posted on 09/11/2008 5:14:09 AM PDT by roaddog727 (BS does not get bridges built - the funk you see is the funk you do)
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To: BibChr
Hi, Dan - good post. Ralph Peters had a column today that is along these lines - and made a really good connection that I hadn't thought of yet:

WHY OUR ELITES FEAR FAITH

Believers are mocked (if not too publicly at election time). Sen. Barack Obama's behind-closed-doors remark in San Francisco to the effect that worried blue-collar chumps cling to God and guns perfectly captured the left's worldview, equating faith and firearms as equal menaces to an enlightened society.

Then along came Palin to appall the establishment - a moose-hunting Christian with a working-class husband, the precise stereotype Obama had mocked. The media's attacks on her since her nomination have been the most unfair I've ever seen.

11 posted on 09/11/2008 5:29:50 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: library user; ajwharton
I hope you're right, but I'm not so sure. Power, any power, is an aphrodisiac to people like Hillary. I don't know that she'd pass up a now-thing for a maybe-thing.

But even given that you're right, Obama has so few original ideas of his own that I can easily see him saying to himself, "That game-changing thing of McCain's was cool. I want some of that. Let's see... who to pick? Who to pick?"

We'll never regret being prepared for the worst. Agreed?

12 posted on 09/11/2008 5:30:50 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Tax-chick
Sorry, and surprised, that you think so.

But, whatever.

13 posted on 09/11/2008 5:31:28 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Roccus

You sure that “Savior” doesn’t appeal to her even more than “Victim”? I know it’s a big thing to Dems these days... but I’m not so sure.


14 posted on 09/11/2008 5:32:23 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr
But even given that you're right, Obama has so few original ideas of his own that I can easily see him saying to himself, "That game-changing thing of McCain's was cool. I want some of that. Let's see... who to pick? Who to pick?"

There are ramifications to just dropping a VP candidate. The delegates have officially nominated both of them, by name, so it isn't just a matter of Obama shoving Biden over for Hillary. I am not sure of the exact procedure (it is pretty unprecedented), but it would -- at the very least -- involve the DNC changing some rule, some how. That, in and of itself, would be a spectacle.

15 posted on 09/11/2008 5:36:34 AM PDT by ajwharton
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To: dirtboy
Dirtboy! Long time, no chat!

That is an column, and very apropos. Thanks for it.

16 posted on 09/11/2008 5:39:48 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr
Somewhere, not sure where, I read where Biden said that Hillary was the better candidate. Wow!
17 posted on 09/11/2008 5:40:53 AM PDT by greeter70
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To: BibChr
Second, Team McCain needs to ready further for attacks on Palin's religious faith.

Well hell yeah. Look at all the questions Obama's gotten and the flack he's taken over Wright? You think the Democrats are just going to roll over and leave Palin's church out of it? They're thinking payback.

18 posted on 09/11/2008 5:43:32 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: ajwharton
Fair enough. But you and I both that the Democrats don't play by the rules.

Things that would humiliate and ruin a conservative Republican don't even cross a Dem's radar screen. So — gosh, we could just let our imagination roam. Biden could say he knew he wasn't helping the campaign, the issues are too important, McCain too dangerous, he loves America too much, yadda yadda yadda — and so, for the good of This Great Country, and the wonderful Obamessiah, he will fall on his sword to make way for a much better and visionary candidate, blah blah blah.

We'll never be prepared if we think the Dems will be fair or rational.

If the last sixteen years have taught me anything, they've taught me this: power means more to Dems than anything in the universe.

19 posted on 09/11/2008 5:44:30 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr

She can’t ‘save’ her party if she can’t defeat her opposition. Without the shield of ‘victim’, she is toast. Just look at how she played that card against Lazio. She won’t be able to pull that crap against Palin.


20 posted on 09/11/2008 5:44:48 AM PDT by Roccus (ABLE DANGER???? WHAT'S AN ABLE DANGER????)
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To: greeter70
Somewhere, not sure where, I read where Biden said that Hillary was the better candidate. Wow!

You have to take it in context. Biden was responding to a statement from someone who had ripped Clinton and said that Biden was the much better choice for Veep. Biden was just being loyal but, no surprisingly for him, it came out wrong. Nobody can butcher a response quite like Joe.

21 posted on 09/11/2008 5:45:08 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: greeter70

You’re absolutely right. I’m worrying that this is Biden prepping the way. Or a trial-balloon.

Either way, we’ll gain nothing by assuming.


22 posted on 09/11/2008 5:46:06 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr

Yeah, hope all is well with you and yours! Quite a phenomenon we have here, eh? In the end, the left hates Sarah because she chases the myth that those who are into guns and God are bitter. Instead, she shows them how much fun and joy you can have with those choices - and they can’t stand it, because they are so bitter themselves. More bitter than over-the-hill Arugula.


23 posted on 09/11/2008 5:47:30 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: ajwharton
I am not sure of the exact procedure (it is pretty unprecedented), but it would -- at the very least -- involve the DNC changing some rule, some how. That, in and of itself, would be a spectacle.

The rules are the same as when Eagleton dropped out in 1972. The DNC picked a replacement. But the Eagleton situation and replacement was a disaster, and the Democrats know it. Biden is in it till the end, and nobody is even thinking of replacing him. Both candidates have their running mates and both are stuck with them.

24 posted on 09/11/2008 5:48:51 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: BibChr
Obama is going to throw Biden under the bus, and beg Hillary! to save him.

But Biden really isn't the problem. To date, he has only made 2 significant blunders: 1) Suggesting Gov. Palin's nomination will set women back 20 years. and 2) Asking the guy in the wheelchair to stand up and take a bow.

I just don't see Biden as the problem. Obama could have put out the Lipstick firestorm by apologizing profusely. He was to proud to do that, so I expect to see his numbers continue to fall.

25 posted on 09/11/2008 5:54:44 AM PDT by Iowa Granny (Hi Sweetie!!!!! Are you Bitter???)
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To: Iowa Granny

Good point about Obama, but don’t underestimate Slow Joe. There was also his “Life begins at conception, but I got no problem with butchering the little tykes if Mommy wants” — ticking off every pro-life RC Dem in the country. And I think you and I are forgetting more. He’s a huge anchor around O’s neck, and I want to see him stay there.


26 posted on 09/11/2008 5:58:48 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr
To hear a Hillary supporter talking yesterday at the rally, Obama laughed at them when they suggested putting Hillary on the ticket as VP. Hillary has been treated with disrespect throughout this entire campaign by the Obama people and the news media. Even if they came back to beg Hillary to run it really wouldn't be in her interest. For one she would be VP and wouldn't have an active role in an Obama administration-no matter what was promised. If you were Hillary would you trust him? I believe she has her sights set on 2012. After all, she suppose to be campaigning for Obama but does anyone really knows where she's at or what she's saying?

Second Hillary supporters are not that dumb to see they were being used. As much as they love Hillary, Hillary would look diminished to go to Obama after such rejection. Everything the feminists stand for will be lost as Hillary will be seen by the nation playing second fiddle to a man-a man who public humiliated her. McCain will look that much more honorable. Those Hillary supporters who have switched for Palin will stay with Palin.

Finally, the country would see this as an indecisive ploy; one that would question the very decision making capabilities of Obama. If he can't pick the right running mate, how can he run the country? No matter how they try to spin this (Biden needs to drop out for his health???) it will launch a 1,000 TV commercials.

Just a king and pawns are left on the Obama's chessboard and McCain's queen is picking them off and closing in for the checkmate.

27 posted on 09/11/2008 5:59:17 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: BibChr

Actually I am really getting tired of hearing Sarah say the same thing over and over.

If McCain and Palin don’t start laying out the details for the Economy, energy and tax reform they will become the Empty suit candidates.

I am starved to hear more from them. She has the personality, the charm and gives a great speech give her something new to say. What are their views on education, tax reform, energy issues and the economy?


28 posted on 09/11/2008 5:59:56 AM PDT by ODDITHER
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To: HarleyD

Boy, I hope you’re right; and you make a good case.

Having said that, I say again we’ll never be sorry for being prepared.

Let’s add another coat to the paint that has 0 in a corner. That’s my point.


29 posted on 09/11/2008 6:03:35 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr

Palin’ll be getting more and more of the anti-Christian attacks, that’s happening now and will only get worse. The idea that Obama dumps Biden for Hillary is, to be blunt, absurd.

Many, many on the left (and some on the right regrettably) have this notion that the Clintons are infallible, never-losing demonic entities. They just can’t come to terms with the fact that she LOST, and isn’t going to make an 11th our spectacular comeback this year.


30 posted on 09/11/2008 6:04:11 AM PDT by mquinn (Obama's supporters: a deliberate drowning of consciousness by means of rhythmic noise)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Here is a blog that is looking at the DNS rules:

http://www.nashvilleistalking.com/node/67916

I am not sure of the Eagleton situation, but was he already officially nominated when they tossed him overboard?

31 posted on 09/11/2008 6:24:14 AM PDT by ajwharton
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To: ajwharton
I am not sure of the Eagleton situation, but was he already officially nominated when they tossed him overboard?

Yes.

32 posted on 09/11/2008 6:43:58 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: All
I have to say: I think FR is the only place where so many people are so sure that this can't happen.

All these people aren't so sure.

These people aren't so sure.

These people aren't so sure.

These people aren't so sure.

In-trade isn't so sure.

The Hillary Clinton Forum isn't so sure.

Glenn Reynolds (Instapundit) isn't so sure.

I'm not so sure.

33 posted on 09/11/2008 6:50:14 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr
so he'd have something to write about in his next memoir.

Yes. The Hussein memoir is like a Dickens serial.

Except for the quality of the writing.

34 posted on 09/11/2008 6:56:44 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: ajwharton
The VP is its own elected office. He's not the presidential candidate's partner.

In the old days, politicians would work the convention delegates to be selected as the VP nominee.

This idea of there being a partnership between the presidential candidate and the VP candidate is a relatively recent phenomenon. It came about because the primaries now nominate the presidential candidate, allowing his delegates to dominate the convention. So unless the VP had the endorsement of the presidential candidate, he wouldn't get picked.

But the fact remains that the VP nominee is running for his own office, and that means that Joe Biden is the only guy who can really decide if he is to step aside.

35 posted on 09/11/2008 7:06:28 AM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: LS

ping, fwiw


36 posted on 09/11/2008 7:10:05 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr

Christian response team ping...


37 posted on 09/11/2008 7:32:40 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Mr. Smith is coming back to Washington in the name of Sarah Palin.)
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To: BibChr

It’s not that I think your comments are wrong, although there are arguable points. However, do you really think Steve Schmidt, “Magnificent Bastard of Arts graduate of the Karl Rove School of Weather Control Sciences” (as a brilliant FReeper observed), and his campaign team haven’t thought of this stuff?


38 posted on 09/11/2008 7:41:06 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("McCain and Palin: The Normal People Revolution" ~ rrrod)
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To: library user
Agreed. Hillary does not want VP, no way, no how.

It's a lose- lose situation for her if she did that.

She's laying low, getting brownie points for helping the down tickets and getting ready to step in when the DNC collapses after Obama self-destructs.

She's angling for 2012, and next time, leaving nothing to chance.
39 posted on 09/11/2008 7:44:50 AM PDT by beagleone (McCain: He had me at "Hanoi.")
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To: Tax-chick

As I explained, they’ve won a lot of respect from me. Surprised respect.

But nobody thinks of everything. Plus, I haven’t yet seen any proactive maneuvering about Biden.

And particularly, a lot of otherwise good folks don’t “get” the religion-angle, and might get blind-sided.

And finally, I worry. It’s what I do. So I’m trying to turn it to positive effect.

No such thing as being too prepared.


40 posted on 09/11/2008 7:45:56 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr
And finally, I worry. It’s what I do. So I’m trying to turn it to positive effect.

I can understand that, although I don't participate myself :-).

As for the religion issue, I think McCain's folks will realize that, first, Sarah Palin's religion is what most Americans consider perfectly normal, and also that it can be played as "weird" by the atheist media.

41 posted on 09/11/2008 7:52:21 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("McCain and Palin: The Normal People Revolution" ~ rrrod)
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To: BibChr
Hillary will say no if asked to be VP.

Ever see that asinine commercial "It's my money and I want it now"? Substitute Presidency for money and that's how Hillary feels. If she takes VP to help Obama then she thinks its 2016 until she gets another shot instead of 2012 if she just lets Obama lose.

42 posted on 09/11/2008 7:59:29 AM PDT by TruthWillWin
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To: TruthWillWin
Hillary will say no if asked to be VP.

I agree. Obama and Hillary hate each other in a way that transcends politics. On top of that, Michelle and Bill are a toxic mix. There is no way we'll ever see an Obama/Hillary ticket.

43 posted on 09/11/2008 8:05:28 AM PDT by Senator_Blutarski (No good deed goes unpunished.)
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To: BibChr

Her ego craves power, so she’d do it.


No doubt she craves power.

But, I don’t think she’d do it at this stage as she’d like the top spot and to save Obama in the top spot pretty much eliminates her from it for at least 8 more years. I think she’d prefer to stay on the sidelines giving apparent support and hoping he loses. Thus in 4 years it could be her chance to gain the nomination. jmo


44 posted on 09/11/2008 8:07:44 AM PDT by deport ( ----Cue Spooky Music---)
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To: deport

You may well be right. She’d also have the, “Remember what happened when you didn’t have ME?” factor.

But...

Do you see any down-side to adding another coat to the paint that has Obama in the corner?


45 posted on 09/11/2008 8:12:01 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Roccus

Don’t count your chickens..... Hillary isn’t getting any younger..and sitting in an elitist job for 4 years may appeal to her... VP is better than First Lady.


46 posted on 09/11/2008 8:18:54 AM PDT by Mashood
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To: Mashood; everyone

I think you have a good point.

PLUS, as my wife pointed out, Hillary! wants to be the first.

If Palin is VP, Hillary! won’t be the First Woman In


47 posted on 09/11/2008 8:21:54 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr

When asked, Hillary was quoted as saying “we’ll do what is asked”.


48 posted on 09/11/2008 8:34:41 AM PDT by Mashood
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To: BibChr
I hope you're right, but I'm not so sure. Power, any power, is an aphrodisiac to people like Hillary. I don't know that she'd pass up a now-thing for a maybe-thing.

Yes but consider the odds. 2012 is almost 100% of her getting the top of the ticket. In 2008 the odds are literally against her winning and if she does win she only comes in second place.

She's going to fold for 2008. We'll see her coming back in 2012 with blood in her eyes.

49 posted on 09/11/2008 8:47:45 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (McCain/Palin 2008 : Palin the Paladin 2012)
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To: Centurion2000
True, but she'd still have (A) "He waited too long; if he hadn't asked me, it'd have been worse!"; and (B) "See what happens when you don't pick Me?"
50 posted on 09/11/2008 9:01:29 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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