Skip to comments.Major Train Derailment Metro Link In California
Posted on 09/12/2008 4:48:21 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
Metro Link train in flames...dozens of ambulances en-route to the scene...
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What the heck is this spam????
now its 24.
I get LAFD pages on my cellphone...
I think that is from the Connex website...
LA County Coroner mass casualty tents.... This was one of the Homeland Security grants since 9/11
Reading this gave me goosebumps, ZGuy. It is a unique feeling when you have a close call like that. I read in your later posts that Gary, and also Bob, are okay. What a disaster, though, for those who did not make or are in critical condition.
Thanks for the post. Some folks still don’t know that the Metrolink Engineer and Conductors are contracted out to Veolia Transportation.
Your post was interesting. I’m sure Veolia provides hundreds of thousands if not millions of hours in labor each year with few incidents. One of these accidents sure delivers a black eye though.
The trains aren’t going that fast there. I take it twice everyday. At that stretch the train goes 30 or so. The train would have left the Chatsworth station about 2 minutes prior to the crash.
Oh no, so sorry to hear that.....
Thanks. That would have been my take mostly because there are several ninety degree bends in the track near there. Still, there are some people who have been saying the trains go about 70 on that stretch of track. I can’t honesly imagine that.
The Conductor wouldn’t know the exact speed. He could give a pretty good guess, but he is doing other things and might not be noticing the speed very much, unless it was outside the normal speed considerably.
That would be my take on it.
they are lifting the Metrolink Car now....LAFD said they needed a forensic photographer on stand by.
In any case, they said the “recovery” operation will be over by 5pm today.
I missed this earlier. I’m very sorry to hear this.
Glad to hear the worst is over
More bad news is going to be coming out. I just found out that a Moorpark pastor and his wife were on the train. He does not show any brain activity. His wife is being released today with a punctured lung.
Since trainriders often only know each other by first name or by face only, unless they publish a list of pictures of the victims, we will never know for certain if someone we used to ride with didn’t make it.
The 70 mph ends in Chatsworth....the section where the accident was is 40 mph. I have the timetable in front of me (I am one of those train nuts too)
KNBC 4 is live right now.
I’m leary of the aftermath of pulling that engine out. I hope I’m wrong.
I like trains but I’m not quite the level of nut. I wouldn’t mind being though. There is something about trains that interest me. There’s something about the sea and sail boats too. It’s sorta like I hear them calling me.
Interesting the NTSB lady said they heard “Metrolink’s theory of what happened”
Thanks for the KNBC(4) tip. I was able to catch part of it.
CNN Headline News has been covering it too.
I made a mistake also and didn’t read to the news that Bob has two broken legs... awful.
Many familiar faces will surely be missing, should you decide to take that train again. I watched a man being interviewed on ch.9 last night. He was one of two riding in the second car who emerged unscathed. Later, when he was asked if he would ride that train again, he said he had to talk with his wife and daughters about that. The interview, where he described the crash, the conditions and rescuing other passengers from the car, was very poignant.
I was going to take a different train yesterday out to the L.A. County Fair, but came down with a bad cold.
Metrolink may be extrapolating their theory based on the normal etiquette in that area of track. The NTSB should take it with a grain of salt. They need to look at all the possibilities real hard.
They said they are basing it upon the dispacher recordings and the information gathered from the signal itself (it records the signal’s status when trains go by).
I thought it was spin the first I heard of it on the car radio. Simply, because there was no reason to make a pronouncement like that today.
Thanks ZGuy. That sounds reasonable.
ZGuy provided the probable source of that determination. It made sense.
Right now I’d rather see the victims and their families be the focus. It’s not going to help them to hear this was a human failure right now, so I agree with you.
They can’t just blame the engineer. The conductor must call aloud every signal and ensure the engineer knows and follows the indication.
That would seem to be a very hard thing to accomplish on a busy Metrolink train, for the Conductors.
You pinged to me a thread I pinged you to at post #16. ;-)
Trying to get caught up on the thread now.
I would like to donate, but they don’t want my blood. Isn’t that the ultimate slap in the face? ;-)
Press conference now, mayor, LAFD, LAPD. Terminated rescue/recovery operation at 2:30. Deceased at the scene 24; others may have died at hospitals. Will turn the scene over to the NTSB later this afternoon.
That’s what’s bothering me. Two minutes prior to the accident the train was stopped in Chatsworth picking up passengers. They don’t leave until the conductor gives the OK. Question - Does the conductor talk to dispatch to get the OK to proceed? If so, what did the dispatcher say (or not say)?
To the right of this picture, there is a row of homes, a short cul-de-sac and then 2 larger parcels, which are horse boarding ranches. The further ranch is about 600 feet from the tracks you see here.
I boarded 4 horses there before I moved in 1993 to N California. I rode across those tracks hundreds of times, going in and out of the ranch into the hills and up onto Oat Mountain trails.
This is a big mess. If riders hadn’t held the line for years to keep trails along the train tracks open, the FD and PD would have no place to work from.
My former Veternarian was in the area and came and volunteered with bandages, supplies and her vet assistant. Fireman wanted to know if she knew anything about broken bones. I am surprised she didn’t deck him. She has been a large animal vet for over 20 years.
From the General Code of Operating Rules (applies to all Class A Railroads):
5.16 Observe and Call Signals
Crew members in the engine control compartment must be alert for signals. As soon as signals become visible or audible, crew members must communicate clearly to each other the name or aspect of signals affecting their train. They must continue to observe signals and announce any change of aspect until the train passes the signal.
If the signal is not complied with promptly, other crew members must remind the engineer and/or conductor of the rule requirement. If the crew members receive no response or if the engineer is unable to respond, they must immediately take action to ensure safety, using the emergency brake valve to stop the train, if necessary.
Mayor says “Thank you” and turns to leave. Some aide says what about Spanish and he returns to the microphone and asks if we have Spanish cameras present. Apparently so as he’s now speaking to them in Spanish.
horse veterinarian went into treat patients”
DVM Marta Granstad from Simi.
Great vet. Used to be my vet before I moved out of the area.
She has appeared a few times on Animal Rescue when a horse has gotten trapped in the hills in the same area. One segment they have shown a couple of times that I have seen. The guy who rides the USC Traveler horse helped the rider/horse until LAFD and Marta could arrive and rescue both.
Cuz its no fun not seeing where you're going.
My Bro in law frequently commutes from Santa Barbara to the Disney plant. I wouldn't do it.
Even if an RTC tells the crew to proceed from a station, the crew must stop for a red (we don't really know if it was red or not, pending investigation).
Intermediate block signals are automatic and will remain red if the upcoming block is occupied. The RTC has no direct control over it.
The commuter train has next to no tonnage - could have stopped on a dime.
I feel real bad for the crew. They had a bad day. People make mistakes or miss things.
But they can't just blame the engineer.
Just as in the Navy, the captain is relieved of duty if the ship runs aground. Perhaps it was a sub-ordinate’s mistake, but it's his job to double check everything.
Prayers for the victims and their families.
I don’t dispute your assertion. What I do recognize is that there are times when these cars are filled to capacity and beyond, standing room only. With all the noise and ticket distractions, I don’t see how the Conductors could possibly comply with this requirement.
Sorry, isn’t there a conductor in the cab with the engineer? Perhaps these are solo operations? (Yikes)
I’m not well enough informed to clarify that issue. That whole freight train only had two men on board at the time of the accident. Both died.
I’m not sure of the crew on the Metrolink. Perhaps someone can explain that to us. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was only one Conductor on board, but there may have been several.
Whether one rides in the cab or not, I wouldn’t know either.
BTW, the conductor on the freight train was not in the cab with the engineer. I believe he was a few cars back.
The engineer was in car 3. The train was about half full. It’s a relaxing ride with most people taking naps typically.
I am very sorry. I hope his breaks can fully heal and that he will be walking again soonest. Did he sustain any other injuries?
I felt sick to my stomach this morning to hear that this was all due to human error. We all can make mistakes on the job, but this one was unforgivable.
Remarkable set of photos:
There’s an angel in the 12th one.