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ACLU Sues Michigan Over Voter Purge Program, Saying It Hurts College Students
U.S. News & World Report ^ | September 18, 2008 | Liz Halloran

Posted on 09/19/2008 1:30:06 PM PDT by Baladas

The American Civil Liberties Union announced today that it has filed a federal lawsuit against Michigan electoral officials over what the organization characterizes as two "statewide voter purge programs" that it claims would "disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of Michigan voters"—many of them college students—in advance of the fall presidential election.

The legal action comes two days after Democratic nominee Barack Obama's campaign and the Democratic National Committee filed a lawsuit against Michigan over another voter-exclusion practice—using home foreclosure lists to challenge a person's right to vote.

The lawsuits suggest that ballot battles in the key battleground state have just started to heat up.

The ACLU suit, which targets Michigan's Secretary of State Terri Lynn Land, a Republican, as well as the state's elections director and the city of Ypsilanti's clerk, charges that two practices by the state are illegal: one in which the state immediately cancels the voter registrations for individuals who obtain a driver's license in another state, and one in which local clerks nullify new voter registration applications if mailed voter cards are returned by the post office as undeliverable.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: aclu; collegevote; howtostealanelection; mi2008; michigan2008; votefraud; voterfraud
Applied ACORN tactics - don't make it too hard for them to cheat.
1 posted on 09/19/2008 1:30:06 PM PDT by Baladas
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To: Baladas

Dems and dead people hardest hit...


2 posted on 09/19/2008 1:34:40 PM PDT by xcamel (Conservatives start smart, and get rich, liberals start rich, and get stupid.)
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To: Baladas

Hogwash. Register where you live and vote absentee.


3 posted on 09/19/2008 1:35:03 PM PDT by combat_boots (God, gun and babies. Justices, taxes and sovereignty. Otherwise known as White Trash. Count me in.)
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To: Baladas

There needs to be an AACLUU (anti-ACLU-union).


4 posted on 09/19/2008 1:36:40 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Baladas

So why don’t the college students vote from home by absentee? Why must they cast their votes in the battleground state they live in for only part of the year?


5 posted on 09/19/2008 1:36:44 PM PDT by weegee (Obama's a uniter?"I want you to argue with them (friends,neighbors,Republicans) & get in their face")
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To: Baladas
"Students and young adults generally are much more transient than older adults, are much more likely to have driver's licenses from different states than their college, and are much more likely to live in multi-unit housing, such as dormitories and apartments," says Jonathan Doster, field organizer for the United States Student Association, a plaintiff in the ACLU complaint. "It's just not fair to deny someone the right to vote just because they are an out-of-state student or they don't get a piece of mail."

WTF? If the student is an out-of-state student, that means that his permanent residence is .... anyone? anyone? ... out of state. He shouldn't be voting there if his permanent residence is somewhere else. If you get a drivers license from another state, that means that state is your permanent residence. I do have a little problem with one undeliverable piece of mail meaning you lose your registration because too often mailmen think that in the neighborhood is close enough for deliveries. I say make it at least two attempts.

6 posted on 09/19/2008 1:38:41 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (The break-in of Gov. Palin's email account is the equivalent of the Watergate break-in.)
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To: Baladas

So now all of a sudden, Obama cares about disenfranchisement in Michigan.


7 posted on 09/19/2008 1:41:39 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (Pontius Pilate voted "Present")
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To: Baladas
using home foreclosure lists to challenge a person's right to vote

There is no evidence that these folks do not maintain a lawful residence in the foreclosed homes as illegal squatters.

8 posted on 09/19/2008 1:42:07 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Question Liberal Authority
There seems to be a big push to win Michigan by whatever means necessary by the Barack Hussein Obama campaign over the last two days.
9 posted on 09/19/2008 1:45:14 PM PDT by Baladas ((ABBHO))
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To: Baladas

The ACLU was founded as a communist front group, so it is no surprise they want to get their fellow communists elected.


10 posted on 09/19/2008 1:45:40 PM PDT by John Robie
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To: Baladas

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2086063/posts

check this out...sounds eerily familiar to what is happening here.


11 posted on 09/19/2008 2:01:38 PM PDT by republicangel
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To: weegee

A Ph.D. awaits the University of Oregon grad student who does an analysis of voter patterns by university students. It is generally estimated that half are registerd in Tucson and half either in their home state or in more than one county in Arizona.


12 posted on 09/19/2008 2:09:00 PM PDT by Melchior
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To: Baladas

I suspect college students are voting twice - once by absentee ballot and once in the town where the college is located. And guess who 99% are voting for?


13 posted on 09/19/2008 2:09:10 PM PDT by Jack Wilson
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To: Jack Wilson
I suspect college students are voting twice

While I've no doubt that happens, I'd be surprised if the number is very high. At least where I went to school, we called it a victory if we went to a party and found, erm....female companionship all in the same weekend. Didn't have time for longwinded political conspiracies.

Maybe Dems are different now. Or, maybe if they ran a party bus from polling place to polling place. I dunno. I just don't see it happening all that much.

I will say that if it does happen, the perps need to be prosecuted (hee hee) to the fullest (snicker) extent (chuckle) of the law (BUAhahahahahaha). Like that's ever going to happen, in a liberal college town.

14 posted on 09/19/2008 2:19:52 PM PDT by wbill
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To: Baladas

We no longer need you ACLU


15 posted on 09/19/2008 2:33:03 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: Baladas
The American Civil Liberties Union announced today that it has filed a federal lawsuit against Michigan electoral officials over what the organization characterizes as two "statewide voter purge programs" that it claims would "disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of Michigan voters"—many of them college students—in advance of the fall presidential election.

You would think after more than 200 years this country would have figured out how to ensure that we have one person, one vote. Photo IDs and SS numbers or a national registry would work I would think.

If the ACLU is involved I would be suspicious because they are a bunch of communists trying to force their version of the world on all of us. And, by the way, using our money to do it. They are racketeers IMO, and vulnerable to the RICO statute, if we had an administration with intestinal fortitude, instead of empty suits and skirts.

16 posted on 09/19/2008 2:36:00 PM PDT by olezip
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To: Baladas
I can somewhat see the ACLU's point here. Certain policies do need clarification at the very least.

Under some circumstances, a person who goes to school in state X but last had a permanent residence in state Y should be regarded as a resident of state X; in some other cases, the person should be considered a resident of state Y. The proper thing to do would be to make people choose which state is their 'home'.

If the person going to school in state X obtains or renews a driver's license from state Y, I would consider that a sign that the person should request an absentee ballot from state Y and vote in that state's elections. If the person wants to be declared a resident of state X, he should affirm his residency there, and should not get a license elsewhere.

Perhaps the best thing to do would be for the federal government to specify a standard procedure for states to exchange voter-registration information. Registration changes should be processed in such fashion as to ensure continuity of people's right to vote.

For example, if Joe Green moves to a state which requires registration 30 days prior to an election, and residency 30 days prior to registration, he should retain the right to vote in his old state (absentee if necessary) for something over 60 days. Probably either 67 days or the date his registration would become effective, whichever comes first.

In cases where different states have elections on different days, it may be hard to formulate totally sensible rules (e.g. if Joe Green had voted in the primaries for both national and local candidates prior to his move, and his destination state had later primaries, to what extent should he be entitled to vote there?)

17 posted on 09/19/2008 4:00:02 PM PDT by supercat
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To: grellis; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

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18 posted on 09/19/2008 4:33:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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Conyers Calls Out McCain Over Voter Suppression
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19 posted on 09/19/2008 4:37:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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20 posted on 09/19/2008 4:48:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: republicangel

Obama wants transient backers to vote in key states
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Posted on 09/19/2008 3:12:20 AM PDT by Daffynition
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2085690/posts


21 posted on 09/19/2008 4:49:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: supercat

Michigan law states that the voting adddress and driver’s license (or state issued ID card) address must be the same. If you get an out-of-state drivers license, you just forfeited the right to vote in Michigan. Also, if you register using an address that doesn’t work two weeks later when the voter card is mailed, it seems to me you never lived there.


22 posted on 09/19/2008 5:07:19 PM PDT by DmBarch
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To: DmBarch
Michigan law states that the voting adddress and driver’s license (or state issued ID card) address must be the same. If you get an out-of-state drivers license, you just forfeited the right to vote in Michigan. Also, if you register using an address that doesn’t work two weeks later when the voter card is mailed, it seems to me you never lived there.

Should people who happen move in October forfeit the right to vote in that year's presidential election? That would hardly seem fair.

IMHO, the proper approach would be for the person who moved in October to cast an absentee ballot; on Election Day, the state where he had previously lived should check with his new state to confirm that he was not yet eligible to vote in its elections (the simplest way to handle that would be for the new state to include on its registration record the date when he'd become eligible to vote there).

23 posted on 09/19/2008 5:25:28 PM PDT by supercat
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To: SunkenCiv

When my daughter registered to vote at the DMV (department of motor vehicles), she later went to vote in our city elections and was not on the voter rolls. She called the city official in charge of voter registration and she was told that just because you register to vote at the DMV, they don’t have to turn the applications in. WHAT?? So now she has to drive downtown to register in person. I’m just glad that it happened in time to be corrected before the federal election. However we are now stuck with a really bad mayor. I wonder how many people this happened to?


24 posted on 09/19/2008 5:33:07 PM PDT by republicangel
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To: Springman; sergeantdave; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; ...

If you would like to be added or dropped from the Michigan ping list, please freepmail me.


25 posted on 09/19/2008 6:04:28 PM PDT by grellis (SISTERHOOD OF SARAH God. Guns. Hockey.)
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To: SunkenCiv

You should have the MI ping, you know...I don’t even know how to post a link!!!


26 posted on 09/19/2008 6:08:38 PM PDT by grellis (SISTERHOOD OF SARAH God. Guns. Hockey.)
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In the 2004 election, some students students at the University of Wisconsin, Madison and Marquette University, Milwaukee, boasted and joked openly about voting at their college address and absentee at their home town addresses. This,together with massive voter fraud in the black areas of Milwaukee, was probably just enough to give Kerry the narrow victory he had in that state. As it was a case of voter fraud favoring their side, the MSM ignored, and continues to ignore, this important story. Let's hope the Republicans are ready this time out and will challenge dodgy registrations to the full extent allowed by the law both in the run-up to the and at the tables on election day.
27 posted on 09/19/2008 6:18:43 PM PDT by Godwin1
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To: weegee

I lived on campus 45 minutes from home and voted absentee. (Ronald Reagan, 1980)Just saved time and trouble.

There is no reason why anyone shouldn’t be able vote absentee and have the votes apply where they want them applied, unless of course “someone” was counting on the cheat votes. Students should only be voting where they are considered to be permenant residents.


28 posted on 09/19/2008 6:20:59 PM PDT by madison10 (Pray every day for McCains, Palins and the USA...and the rest of us, too.)
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To: grellis
;') No freakin' way! Here:
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29 posted on 09/19/2008 6:39:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: republicangel

Thanks! Good info to know.

The Sec’y of State (we don’t have a “DMV” in Michigan) and welfare offices do indeed offer, even promote, registering to vote. I’ve been registered to vote since, hmm, my 18th birthday or thereabouts, and have never had any trouble, but then, I live in western Michigan, not Corruptica. :’)


30 posted on 09/19/2008 6:45:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: Baladas
Gee, I didn't know they cared, but since they do, here's a splendid idea!! How about the ACLU filing suit against the State of NM, Governor Bill Richardson, ACORN and the Motor Vehicle Department to stop the voter fraud against ALL Americans.

Because Governor Richardson authorized the Department of Motor Vehicles to give NM driver's licenses to illegals, we now have illegals in America who can vote. We are talking about massive voter fraud. Once illegals got their licenses, they could go register to vote, using their NM driver's license to register. If you think it stops there, oh-no, it gets worse. Then illegals can go to other states and obtain driver's licenses in those states by showing NM driver's licenses. Once they get a license in that state, they can register to vote there too. NM has four states that touch at Four Corners. Conceivably, a person could spend a couple of days and register in all four states. All this money Obama has been raising is no doubt going to transport illegals around having them register to vote. All they need is a common address and they can request a ballot to vote by absentee ballot, and they don't even have to go back to that state again.

CO and NM are two of the states where electoral votes are up for grabs in the election so you can bet they are doing everything possible to hand the election to Obama. A few years ago the GOP went to court in NM to force the Motor Vehicle Department to turn over the records of the names of illegals who were granted licenses and the courts shot it down. It was a liberal judge who did it. The courts said no, Richardson refused and MVD didn't give us the names. As you might guess, the GOP dropped it and it's been several years since it started.

Every illegal in America knows they can get a license in NM. You can bet Soros has been fronting the money to take all of these people around the country signing up in all 50 states. Who knows, this year they may be signing up in all 57 states. LOL So, when you hear the DemonRAT party bragging about how they have signed up millions of new voters, you can bet that hundreds of thousands of them, (or more) started in NM.

31 posted on 09/19/2008 11:45:53 PM PDT by NRA2BFree
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To: Baladas

Governor Jennifer Granholm (D) has been blowing her own horn out there with claims of bringing home the bacon in the form of jobs and business from companies around the world who are supposedly falling all over themselves in a clamour for tax incentives. It’s all hype, all bullsh*t and for appearances sake only. She’s anticipating an Obama administration and the changes it will bring for her. She’s making her escape plans, thinks she’s been to the mountain top, seen the promised land...HOWEVER, the only promised land she sees is the promised land of Washington DC. In Jennifer Granholm’s (D) eyes, Michigan is a peon state and she knows that it may indeed serve her well as a mere stepping stone to the “promised land”.

E-mail your voter/voting fraud concerns to Eric Shawn of Fox News at voterfraud@foxnews.com


32 posted on 09/24/2008 3:31:36 AM PDT by equaviator ("There's a (datum) plane on the horizon coming in...see it?")
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