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Has America Been Defeated Without a Shot Being Fired?
My Nightmare | Sept. 26, 2008 | RetSignman

Posted on 09/28/2008 9:26:02 AM PDT by RetSignman

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To: RetSignman; All
From RushLimbaugh.com:
Hanoi Jane Endorses Obama
April 3, 2008

REPORTER 1: Jane, who are you voting for?

REPORTER 2: Who gets your vote?

FONDA: Obama.

REPORTER 2: Oh, my God. Heaven help us all.

RUSH: The reporter for TMZ said, "Oh, God. Heaven help us all." Obviously the reporter is an Obama supporter.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_040308/content/01125111.guest.html

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November 22, 1970 -- During a fund-raising tour for GI deserters, Vietnam Veterans Against the War and the Black Panthers, Jane Fonda is quoted in the Detroit Free Press as telling a University of Michigan audience:

"I would think that if you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would someday become communist," and "The peace proposal of the Viet Cong is the only honorable, just, possible way to achieve peace in Vietnam."
http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=Timeline

Fonda made the following statement at the University of Texas:
"We've got to establish a Socialist economic structure that will limit private profit-oriented businesses. Whether the transition is peaceful depends on the way our present governmental leaders react. We must commit our lives to this transition ...... We should be very proud of our new breed of soldier. It's not organized but it's mutiny, and they have every right." --Karen Elliott Dallas Morning News December 11, 1971

From 1972: "I am not a do-gooder, I am a revolutionary. A revolutionary woman."

Source for most of the Jane Fonda material:
http://www.1stcavmedic.com/jane_fonda.htm

41 posted on 09/28/2008 9:48:54 AM PDT by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home page)
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To: RetSignman; All
From Monday, April 21st, 2008...

My Vote's for Obama (if I could vote) ...by Michael Moore

Friends,

I don't get to vote for President this primary season. I live in Michigan. The party leaders (both here and in D.C.) couldn't get their act together, and thus our votes will not be counted.

So, if you live in Pennsylvania, can you do me a favor? Will you please cast my vote -- and yours -- on Tuesday for Senator Barack Obama?

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2008-04-21

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Michael Moore (quote), from his website, April 14, 2004...

"The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not 'insurgents' or 'terrorists' or 'The Enemy.' They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow -- and they will win. Get it, Mr. Bush?"
[actual quote from Michael Moore (2004). It still appears on his website]
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2004-04-14

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The Communist Party USA (CPUSA):
"We are a party of unity in action. We are an integral part of every struggle and movement for change to eliminate poverty and joblessness, against racism and for full equality. We are participants, initiators and leaders of every movement to make life better now and much better in a socialist future." Yeah, so they supported an oppressive dictator, like the Repubs and Democrats haven't? The CP is still around, has apologized for that whole Stalin thing, and has a quickly growing youth section.
[see: MichaelMoore.com-->Links-->PoliticalAction (bottom of the page--CPUSA promo)]
http://www.michaelmoore.com/links/index.php?linkType=Political%20Action

42 posted on 09/28/2008 9:49:53 AM PDT by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home page)
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To: RetSignman

Shots will be fired if your contentions turn out to be true.


43 posted on 09/28/2008 9:50:10 AM PDT by Mogollon ($5/gal Gas....Kick the Jacka$$es Out!)
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To: RetSignman
Make sure that your weapons are clean and ready to go.

We started this country with a revolution, and fought another 150 years ago.

Maybe it's time to "Water the tree of liberty" as Jefferson said.

44 posted on 09/28/2008 9:51:23 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: RetSignman; All
"This is a guy [Bill Ayers] who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis."

Source: ABC News - Transcript: Obama and Clinton Debate, April 16, 2008
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/DemocraticDebate/Story?id=4670271&page=2

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[Obama] is named Chairman of the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge founded by Bill Ayers
(article typo has Ayers instead of Obama)

In late 1993, Bill Ayers, now an associate professor of education at the University of Illinois Chicago Circle Campus, organized a team to put together a grant proposal to secure nearly $50 million from the Annenberg Challenge. The money was to be used by Ayers and co. to bolster the radical Local School Councils reform project that Ayers and Obama had championed back in 1988 through the ABCs.

The grant application was successful and in early 1995 Barack Obama was named chairman of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Ayers was named co-chair of the Challenge’s operative and strategic body, the Chicago School Reform Collaborative. Ayers and Obama work together for the next five years on raising an additional $60 million in matching money from local foundations and corporations and using the money to intervene in the governance of the Chicago public schools.

The Challenge through a multi-million dollar Leadership Development Initiative intervened in the School Council elections in the middle of what was known as the Chicago School Wars. At the same time Chicago Mayor Richard Daley was pushing, successfully, to gut the power of the Councils.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/12/the-obama-ayers-top-ten-highlights-of-the-20-year-obama-ayers-connection/

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"The Small Schools Workshop was founded in 1991 at the University of Illinois at Chicago to provide support for teachers who were trying to create new smaller learning environments. Its director is Michael Klonsky, a former professor of education at UIC."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_Schools_Workshop

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Some background on Bill Ayers' SDS comrade, Michael Klonsky
(Chicago Annenberg Challenge-related)

"One of Bill Ayers’ and Bernardine Dohrn’s comrades in the late 60s Students for a Democratic Society was Mike Klonsky. When Dohrn and Ayers moved in one direction toward the violent tactics of the Weather Underground, Klonsky, in the wake of the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia, dropped the pro-Russian communist politics of his parents and became a committed Maoist. As leader of the Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist) in 1977 [not to be confused with Communist Party USA. CPML no longer exists, CPUSA formed decades earlier and is still around-ETL], he travelled to Beijing and was toasted by the senior Beijing leadership.

When the crazy left of the 70s died in the 80s, Klonsky went to graduate school in education in Florida and then moved to Chicago.

While driving a cab there he [Michael Klonsky] was recruited by his old friend Bill Ayers to head up a new project called the Small Schools Workshop in 1991. It’s offices were in the Department of Education building at the University of Illinois Chicago Circle Campus where Ayers taught.

In 1995 the newly formed Chicago Annenberg Challenge headed by Ayers and Obama gave the Workshop a grant of $175,000.

The Annenberg Challenge also had its office space in the same building as Ayers Department and the Workshop, rent free courtesy of the University.

In 2008 Klonsky ran a blog on the official Obama campaign website on education policy and “social justice” teaching. When discussion of the Klonsky blog emerged in the blogosphere, it was promptly shut down by the campaign and all of the posts made by Klonsky were removed from the site."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/12/the-obama-ayers-top-ten-highlights-of-the-20-year-obama-ayers-connection/

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In 1977, the October League was reorganized as the Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist) [again, not Communist Party USA (CPUSA) -ETL] and former SDS activist Michael Klonsky became party chairman. Also in 1977, Klonsky traveled to China and the CPML was recognized by the Chinese Communist Party as its official sister party in America.

(snip)

In January 1981, Michael Klonsky resigned as party chairman, and the CPML disbanded that same year.

The previous Red Encyclopedia description of the CPML was incorrectly combined with that of the Communist Party USA (Marxist-Leninist).

http://reds.linefeed.org/past.html

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From Sept 11, 2001, New York Times article/interview with Obama associate and friend, William/Bill Ayers.
Article title: "No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen"

"Mr. Ayers, who in 1970 was said to have summed up the Weatherman philosophy as:

'Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at,' is today distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

New York Times, September 11, 2001:
"No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen"
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

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Bill Ayers TODAY (April 6, 2008), from his own red communist star-headed website, begging to debate communism vs capitalism with Sean Hannity and STILL calling for revolution!


"Imperialism. I’m against it, and if Sean Hannity and others were honest, this is the ground they would fight me on. Capitalism played its role historically and is exhausted as a force for progress: built on exploitation, theft, conquest, war, and racism, capitalism and imperialism must be defeated and a world revolution—a revolution against war and racism and materialism, a revolution based on human solidarity and love, cooperation and the common good —must win.

We begin by releasing our most hopeful dreams and our most radical imaginations: a better world is both possible and necessary.

Source: Bill Ayers' own website:
http://billayers.wordpress.com/2008/04/page/2/

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From Investor's Business Daily (IBD), August 27, 2008:

"Ayers, now a tenured distinguished professor of education at UIC, works to educate teachers in socialist revolutionary ideology, urging that it be passed on to impressionable students.

One of Ayer's descriptions for a course called 'Improving Learning Environments' says prospective K-12 teachers need to 'be aware of the social and moral universe we inhabit and ... be a teacher capable of hope and struggle, outrage and action, teaching for social justice and liberation.

The Annenberg papers are quite extensive — 132 boxes containing 947 file folders with 70 linear feet of material. They undoubtedly contain more surprises regarding Obama's relationship with Ayers, one of many relationships Obama has sought to hide.'..."

Article: Annenberg Papers: Putting On Ayers?
http://www.ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=304729375940845

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Voice of the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA [Maoist]
Revolution #63, October 1, 2006

Interview with Bill Ayers:
"On Progressive Education, Critical Thinking and the Cowardice of Some in Dangerous Times"

http://rwor.org/a/063/ayers-en.html

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Much more on the ObamaRat-commie connections at my FR Profile/Home page. Everything there is linked directly to its source. I've now added within-page links and a 'clickable' table of contents which makes it easy to hop around to the various sections:
http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl

45 posted on 09/28/2008 9:51:27 AM PDT by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home page)
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To: Biggirl
Don't blame only the socialists. They are simply the agitators. It takes two to fight. The other party is the apathetic, fat and content bourgeoisie that have taken freedom for granted and are now going to squeal like pigs when it is taken from them.
46 posted on 09/28/2008 9:51:30 AM PDT by Kudsman
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To: Comparative Advantage

I would like to do that. We’ll even let them choose which side of the country they want. They can have their liberal world while we stick with the Constitution..


47 posted on 09/28/2008 9:51:50 AM PDT by just me (Looks like the MSM moonbats have been infected with rabies..)
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To: Comparative Advantage

I would like to do that. We’ll even let them choose which side of the country they want. They can have their liberal world while we stick with the Constitution..


48 posted on 09/28/2008 9:52:05 AM PDT by just me (Looks like the MSM moonbats have been infected with rabies..)
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To: Anticommie

thats right. Bush and the GOP congress was no help at all. ridiculous that McCain has to run against the incumbent prez of his own party.


49 posted on 09/28/2008 9:52:05 AM PDT by ari-freedom (Just let Sarah be Sarah!)
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To: clintonh8r

“I forgot to mention media contol of all kinds, including print and electronic, even the systems that control media production, such as left-leaning Google. So, it’s even worse than I said above.”

The control is up and running in Missouri! I urge every Freeper or Lurker to mail the following links to everyone on your email list and tell them to pass it on to others....expecially any news/radio/TV sources they know of. We can MAKE this become a NATIONAL STORY! The MSM go along with Obama’s marxism because they are very willing to be his “controlled media”. It is truly up to us to make sure Obama DOES NOT BECOME PRESIDENT!

Marxism On Display!
Missouri TV News Report about “Obama Truth Squad”:
http://www.kmov.com/video/index.html?nvid=285793&shu=1

Missouri Governor Blunt’s Press Release:
http://governor.mo.gov/cgi-bin/coranto/viewnews.cgi?id=EkkkVFulkpOzXqGMaj&style=Default+News+Style&tmpl=newsitem


50 posted on 09/28/2008 9:52:34 AM PDT by seekthetruth
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To: Zeddicus

There are probably better than half the citizenry now voting to protect handouts, and perceived handouts, that they believe they will receive. Most of them don’t even understand fully what Socialism is. Just don’t ask them to give something to the system, as that is not fair.

The politicians move in the direction of giving voters what they want. Half the politicians probably don’t fully understand where this is going. But they promise to increase and protect those handouts, as that is where the voters are.

The only way to change this is to limit voting to the “payers”. The “net recipients” have a conflict of interest and are not voting in the best long term interests of the country, or themselves.

We will become the same as Europe, if we survive.

And, the media is obviously not helping. Hey, reporters, want to rebel, speak truth to power! And the power is now on the left. Worldwide.


51 posted on 09/28/2008 9:53:01 AM PDT by ExCW2Army (Another Cry in the Storm)
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To: RetSignman; All

Louis Farrakhan, at the annual Saviours' Day celebration in Chicago, Feb. 25, 2008: "This young man is the hope of the entire world that America will change and be made better"..."If you look at Barack Obama's audiences and look at the effect of his words, those people are being transformed."
Source: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=4337417

Louis Farrakhan, at the Millions More Movement rally in DC, Oct 15, 2005: "...what Mao Tse Tung did was, he went to the cultural community, and they [Farrakhan spreads his arms beneficently] accepted his idea."... "Mao Tse Tung ... had a billion people whose lives he had to transform."..."the idea of Mao Tse Tung became the idea of a billion people, and China became a world power on the base of the culture and the arts community. If we had a ministry of art and culture in every city we'd create this movement [in the U.S.]."
Source: http://thedrunkablog.blogspot.com/2005/10/communist-plot-noted.html

Louis Farrakhan, Santiago de Cuba, February, 1998: "There is not a member of the black masses in the United States who is not proud of the example set by Cuba and its revolution, with Comandante Fidel at its head"
Source: http://www.fiu.edu/~fcf/farakhan21898.html#says


"Minister Farrakhan and his delegation met privately with President Fidel Castro of Cuba."
http://www.finalcall.com/media/cuba/

[that's Michelle Obama with Mrs. Farrakhan. Mrs. Farrakhan is at center bottom wearing white]
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/03/michelle-obama-and-louis-farrakhans-wife-together-in-photo/

52 posted on 09/28/2008 9:54:41 AM PDT by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home page)
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To: steelyourfaith
Is it time to march on Washington and demand that the crooks get out of town?

Yep, and well armed. Its time to drag the thieves out of Capitol and string them up.
53 posted on 09/28/2008 9:55:48 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220 (Conceal carry - Don't leave home without it.)
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To: TADSLOS
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared." -- Marcus Tullius Cicero

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54 posted on 09/28/2008 9:56:56 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Once abolish the God, and the government becomes the God - G. K. Chesterton)
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To: RetSignman

Read your US history.

It was recorded that, for the Alaska purchase, 300% of the US congress had been bribed to vote one way or another. That is, it averaged out to each congressmen getting three different bribes.

Ol’ Frank Roosevelt expanded the commerce clause in the US constitution so much that it covered virtually every aspect of American life. Even elevator operators were covered, because they might transport someone who had crossed State lines doing business. Farmers could no longer grow what they wanted, when they wanted, and the WPA channeled huge amounts of money to local Democrats who would only hire other Democrats.

George Washington was the first president to blatantly violate the US constitution, sending federal troops against US citizens in the Whiskey Rebellion.

Even though they weren’t fully US citizens, Andrew Jackson ethnically cleansed most of the Indians from East of the Mississippi and sent them to desolate lands out West.

Woodrow Wilson nationalized the railroads for World War I, and every bureaucrat in Washington then ordered their own rail car to pick them up, to show how important they were. It created a rail jam that lasted for almost four years. After he was left comatose by a stroke, Mrs. Wilson ran the country for about six months.

While in office Lyndon Johnson’s shipping company monopolized almost all US military cargo transported to and from Vietnam, turning himself into a billionaire.

When Grover Cleveland was in his second term, in 1895, a two year long economic crisis nearly bankrupted the US government. Were it not for the intervention of J.P. Morgan, the man, the government would have found itself in the same situation we find ourselves today.

But does it mean the US is “over”? Heck no.

It does mean, however, that the US can no longer have a budget deficit for *any* reason, including Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid, or even Defense. And in fact, will have to have a substantial surplus if our economy is to recover. And it is not their choice. They could have chosen to watch their spending, but time and time again, they refused.

So it is no longer their choice. They can whine all they want, but they can’t spend a penny more than the tax revenue brings in. And to make matters worse, for the next two years, tax revenues might be down by double digits.


55 posted on 09/28/2008 9:57:16 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Biggirl

If it continues in the direction it’s headed, then you’re absolutely correct. I see it happening very quickly if Barry gets into office.


56 posted on 09/28/2008 9:57:30 AM PDT by Lazarus Starr
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To: RetSignman

You said it well.

If anyone cares, 0bama is gaining so much speed in Ohio over the financial crisis it’s not even funny. Indies are leaning back toward 0bama - represented by Rasmussen, who had to change us from leaning red back to a tossup state.

Sarah Palin has lost her momentum because the attack ads worked and the GOP didn’t seem to fight back all that much. People around here don’t read, and admit it while laughing. They ‘hate politics’ but they will be voting in November, and they will vote against the current administration because ‘everything happened on their watch and the government should do something good for a change’. And trust me - that’s as deep as they’ll think about it. They don’t bother to ask why something may be the way it is.

I can’t look at the glass half-full anymore, either. Republicans always fail to understand that many people vote on emotion - not fact - and I think sometimes the power of collective emotion is underestimated.


57 posted on 09/28/2008 9:59:17 AM PDT by JavaJumpy (CNN - Hey Soledad, it's CaroLINE Kennedy, not CaroLYN Kennedy.)
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To: RetSignman

Have heart, America is not defeated...indeed cannot be defeated. American philosophy of individual rights, rights to life, defend ourselves, happiness, free speech, etc. are not man’s creation. These are endowed upon us by our maker. They are the TRUTH, the REALITY. All the left, or anyone who wishes to try to deprive us of this, can do is distort reality, distort truth. But, nature...God’s laws are not distortable, they do not bend. They are what makes our universe and our lives.

We may be in for some rough times...but we cannot lose the war, it is simply impossible to because we are on the side of what is right and true.

Evil has been expanding it’s power throughout the world, but so has Good. Those who can recognize good from evil and are willing to fight against evil are truly the fortunate ones. We have opportunity here, we have a cause...something to live and fight for. Indeed, something worthy to sacrifice our lives for. What more can we ask of a purposeful, good life?

Consider the other side, they fight for killing babies, for taking away the people’s ability to defend themselves, to limit greatly free speech, personal property, family and morality. How debased, how empty their lives are. They take glee in the lowering of societal standards, they dwell in the gutters and gloat about it.

Would it make sense to, having the knowledge we have, to desire that debased and empty life? Will we try to hide from the face of Evil?

There is only one path to follow, that is to fight against the evil that is upon us. We cannot do that by hatred for those who have fallen under the “spell” of evil, but with love to light the path and show the way out. We cannot do that by being ashamed or afraid. We have to be strong in our love of liberty and goodness.

So, be strong. Do not give up hope. Believe that most people when exposed to good and shown evil will choose good. And, thank God every day for the opportunity to have such a meaningful life.


58 posted on 09/28/2008 10:00:01 AM PDT by Wpin
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To: RetSignman

Yes.


59 posted on 09/28/2008 10:03:06 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Never mess with an old man, he will just kill you.)
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To: RetSignman

Just as your body is made up of cells, our nation is made up of people. You have to look at each person as if they were a cell. When cells in a body become cancerous, the body dies. When enough people in a nation become corrupt, and immoral, the nation dies. Just look at the people around you, and your question will be answered.


60 posted on 09/28/2008 10:04:26 AM PDT by A6M3
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