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Factcheck And Brady Campaign Share Same Sugar Daddy
NRA - ILA ^ | September 23, 2008 | NA

Posted on 09/28/2008 9:02:05 PM PDT by neverdem


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Factcheck And Brady Campaign Share Same Sugar Daddy

Tuesday, September 23, 2008

Impartial? Independent? NO!
FactCheck and Brady Campaign in Bed with Annenberg Foundation

FactCheck supposedly exists to look beyond a politician's claims. Ironically, in its analysis of NRA materials on Barack Obama, these so-called "FactCheckers" use the election year campaign rhetoric of a presidential candidate and a verbal claim by one of the most zealous gun control supporters in Congress to refute facts compiled by NRA's research of vote records and review of legislative language.

There's another possible explanation behind FactCheck's positions. Just last year, FactCheck's primary funding source, the Annenberg Foundation, also gave $50,000 to the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence for "efforts to reduce gun violence by educating the public and by enacting and enforcing regulations governing the gun industry." Annenberg made a similar grant for $100,000 in 2005. (source)

Regardless of the cause, it's clear that while FactCheck swoons over a politician's rhetoric, NRA prefers to look at the more mundane details - like how that politician voted on a bill and what kind of impact that legislation had or may have had on law-abiding gun owners.

FactCheck claims that NRA advertisements "distort" Barack Obama's anti-gun positions, but FactCheck's own sources prove otherwise. In fact, even Obama's campaign has refused to deny his most extreme positions.

FactCheck also dismisses NRA's statements as "contrary to what [Obama] has said throughout his campaign." But as FactCheck says, "believing something doesn't make it so." And unless FactCheck is an arm of the Obama campaign, isn't it their job to find out if Obama is telling the truth?

FactCheck claim: "Obama is proposing no ...ban" on use of firearms for self-defense in the home.

FactCheck is wrong. Obama supported local handgun bans in the Chicago area by opposing any allowance for self-defense. Obama opposed an Illinois bill (SB 2165, 2004) that would have created an "affirmative defense" for a person who used a prohibited firearm in self-defense in his own home.

As FactCheck notes, the bill was provoked by a case where a Wilmette, Ill. homeowner shot an intruder in self-defense in his home; the homeowner's handgun was banned by a town ordinance. (After the U.S. Supreme Court found Washington, D.C.'s similar ban unconstitutional, Wilmette repealed the ordinance to avoid litigation.)

The legislation was very plainly worded, but as limited as its protection was, Obama voted against it in committee and on the floor:

It is an affirmative defense to a violation of a municipal ordinance that prohibits, regulates, or restricts the private ownership of firearms if the individual who is charged with the violation used the firearm in an act of self-defense or defense of another ...when on his or her land or in his or her abode or fixed place of business.

If a person cannot use a handgun for self-defense in the home without facing criminal charges, self-defense with handguns in the home is effectively banned.

Even aside from SB 2165, Obama's support for a total handgun ban (see below) would be a crippling blow to defense in the home, since (as the Supreme Court recently affirmed) handguns are "the most preferred firearm in the nation to 'keep' and use for protection of one's home and family." (District of Columbia v. Heller, 128 S.Ct. 2783, 2818 (2008)).

FactCheck claim: Obama "did not ...vote to 'ban virtually all deer hunting ammunition."

FactCheck is wrong. Obama voted for an amendment by longtime ammunition ban advocate Sen. Edward Kennedy (S. Amdt. 1615 to S. 397, Vote No. 217, July 29, 2005), which would have fundamentally changed the federal "armor piercing ammunition" law (18 U.S.C. ' 922(a)(7)), by banning any bullet that "may be used in a handgun and that the Attorney General determines... to be capable of penetrating body armor" that "meets minimum standards for the protection of law enforcement officers."

Federal law currently bans bullets as "armor piercing" based upon the metals used in their construction, such as those made of steel and those that have heavy jackets. (18 U.S.C. ' 921(a)(17)). The Kennedy amendment would have fundamentally changed the law to add a ban on bullets on the basis of whether they penetrate the "minimum" level of body armor, regardless of the bullets' construction or the purposes for which they were designed (e.g., hunting).

Many bullets designed and intended for use in rifles (including hunting rifles) have, over the years, been used in special-purpose hunting and target handguns, thus they "may be used in a handgun."

The "minimum" level of body armor, Type I, only protects against the lowest-powered handgun cartridges. Any center-fire rifle used for hunting, target shooting, or any other purpose, and many handguns used for the same purposes, are capable of penetrating Type I armor, regardless of the design of the bullet.

Obama also said, on his 2003 questionnaire for the Independent Voters of Illinois-Independent Precinct Organization, that he would "support banning the sale of ammunition for assault weapons." (source) The rifles banned as "assault weapons" under the 1994 Clinton gun ban fire cartridges such as the .223 Remington and .308 Winchester - the same ammunition used in common hunting rifles.

It's true that in 2005, Sen. Kennedy denied his amendment would ban hunting ammunition. But in a floor debate on an identical amendment the previous year, Kennedy specifically denounced the .30-30 Winchester rifle cartridge, used by millions of deer hunters since 1895. "It is outrageous and unconscionable that such ammunition continues to be sold in the United States of America," said Sen. Kennedy. (Congressional Record, 2/26/04, p. S1634.)

Isn't it FactCheck's job to be skeptical of politicians' claims, especially when the plain language says otherwise?

FactCheck claim: "Obama says he does not support any ... handgun ban and never has."

FactCheck is wrong. Obama has never disavowed his support for a handgun ban. On Obama's 1996 questionnaire for the Independent Voters of Illinois-Independent Precinct Organization, he clearly stated his support for "state legislation to ...ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns." Although Obama first claimed he had not seen the survey, a later version appeared with his handwritten notes modifying some of the answers. But he didn't change any of his answers on gun issues, including the handgun ban.

FactCheck itself cites Obama's 2003 questionnaire to the same group. When asked again if he supported a handgun ban, he could simply have said, "No." Instead, as FactCheck notes, he "avoid[ed] a yes-or-no answer" by saying a ban on handguns "is not politically practicable," then stated his support for other restrictions.

The 1996 and 2003 positions are not at all contradictory. Many anti-gun groups, such as the Violence Policy Center and Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, support total bans on handguns but also support lesser regulations that are more "politically practicable."

FactCheck claim: Saying Obama supports gun licensing is "misleading."

FactCheck is wrong. Obama's fancy election-year footwork - claiming he doesn't support licensing or registration because he doesn't think he "can get that done" - isn't enough to get around his clear support for handgun registration and licensing.

What's really misleading is the idea that handgun registration isn't really gun registration. Handguns are about one-third of the firearms owned in the United States, and American gun owners know better than to think registration schemes will end with any one kind of gun.

 FactCheck claim: Saying Obama would appoint judges who agree with him is "unsupported."

This FactCheck claim is just strange. Don't most Americans expect that the President will appoint people who agree with him to all levels of the government? And putting all Obama's campaign rhetoric about "empathy" aside, why would judges be any different?

And on the larger issue of Obama's view of the Second Amendment, FactCheck once again takes Obama's spin at face value. While Obama now claims to embrace the Supreme Court's decision striking down the D.C. gun ban, he refused to sign an amicus brief stating that position to the Court. And when Washington, D.C. television reporter Leon Harris said to Obama, "You support the D.C. handgun ban and you've said that it's constitutional," Obama nodded - and again didn't disavow his support. (WJLA TV interview, 2/11/2008.)

-NRA-

Established in 1871, the National Rifle Association is America's oldest civil rights and sportsmen's group. Four million members strong, NRA continues its mission to uphold Second Amendment rights and to advocate enforcement of existing laws against violent offenders to reduce crime. The Association remains the nation's leader in firearm education and training for law-abiding gun owners, law enforcement and the military.




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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; bradycampaign; factcheck

1 posted on 09/28/2008 9:02:07 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

bump


2 posted on 09/28/2008 9:03:36 PM PDT by VOA
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To: neverdem

ping


3 posted on 09/28/2008 9:09:44 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: neverdem

Fact check delves into mere opinion, and not fact, the NRA is quite correct in their assertions, Obama and Biden are both anti Civil Rights of that there is no doubt.


4 posted on 09/28/2008 9:11:52 PM PDT by padre35 (Sarah Palin is the one we've been waiting for..Rom 10.10..)
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To: All
As I said the other day..........

Obama worked for the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. The Chicago Annenberg Challenge was funded by the Annenberg Foundation. The Annenberg Foundation funds FactCheck.org.

Now I got to add something about them funding the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

5 posted on 09/28/2008 9:13:50 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: neverdem
FactCheck's primary funding source, the Annenberg Foundation, also gave $50,000 to the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence for "efforts to reduce gun violence by educating the public and by enacting and enforcing regulations governing the gun industry." Annenberg made a similar grant for $100,000 in 2005.

Unbelievable!

6 posted on 09/28/2008 9:26:34 PM PDT by jan in Colorado (For Barack Hussein Obama TRUTH FILE see my homepage!)
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To: pepperhead

And who founded the Annenberg Foundation?


7 posted on 09/28/2008 9:27:08 PM PDT by Lexinom (I've got a bracelet, too!)
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To: neverdem

Kickass Thread!


8 posted on 09/28/2008 9:32:34 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: Lexinom

Some dead guy........


9 posted on 09/28/2008 9:35:53 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: pepperhead

Factcheck-—> Annenberg——> Obama

Say it loud!


10 posted on 09/28/2008 9:44:15 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (Stand up, Chuck)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
I'll state the obvious:

Factcheck is used to check info about Obama.

Factcheck and Obama share a common link: Annenberg.

Factcheck, therefore, cannot be trusted with information about Obama due to conflict of interest.

11 posted on 09/28/2008 9:51:22 PM PDT by Lexinom (I've got a bracelet, too!)
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To: neverdem

One of the most revealing things Obambi has said recently (can’t recall where but it was during the current campaign) was that voters don’t have to worry about him trying to ban ALL guns because “even if I wanted to do it I couldn’t get it done, I don’t have the votes” === making it abundantly clear, in a moment of careless speech, that he has THOUGHT about it, thought about what it would take for a more extensive gun ban then most liberals ever dream about.

What everyone needs to shout in chorus in every public forum, whenever he tries to pretend he has “moderated” his position on gun and ammo issues, is.....

“Senator Obama, WE DO NOT BELIEVE YOU!”

That goes to the heart of how he’s trying to run his campaign more toward the “center” — people like FactCheck.org try to take him at his word on every current campaign statement, rather than looking at his entire history as a left-wing gun-grabber.


12 posted on 09/29/2008 12:43:54 AM PDT by Enchante (America: can you seriously believe that Obama & Biden know how to "run our economy"?)
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To: Enchante
One of the most revealing things Obambi has said recently (can’t recall where but it was during the current campaign) was that voters don’t have to worry about him trying to ban ALL guns because “even if I wanted to do it I couldn’t get it done, I don’t have the votes” === making it abundantly clear, in a moment of careless speech, that he has THOUGHT about it, thought about what it would take for a more extensive gun ban then most liberals ever dream about.

Obama: ‘I’m Not Going to Take Your Guns Away’

“Even if I want to take them away, I don’t have the votes in Congress,’’ he said. “This can’t be the reason not to vote for me. Can everyone hear me in the back? I see a couple of sportsmen back there. I’m not going to take away your guns.’’

Maybe it was the source of that thread?

13 posted on 09/29/2008 2:16:08 AM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: pepperhead
Annenberg Foundation -> Chicago Annenberg Challenge.

Where does Wm. Ayers fit into the picture? I read one place he "founded" Annenberg Foundation, but elsewhere it was founded by Walter H. Annenberg (makes sense).

I'm finding difficulting getting information, at least on the web, as though the info itself is being moved around. So where does Ayers fit?

14 posted on 09/29/2008 1:38:43 PM PDT by Lexinom (I've got a bracelet, too!)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

bttt

Factcheck-—> Annenberg——> Obama


15 posted on 10/03/2008 10:21:41 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Lexinom

bttt

Factcheck and Obama share a common link: Annenberg.

Factcheck, therefore, cannot be trusted with information about Obama due to conflict of interest.


16 posted on 10/03/2008 10:22:21 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Lexinom

Ayers co-founded Chicago Annenberg Challenge.

The minutes of the early CAC Board meetings tie Obama far more closely to unrepentant Weatherman bomb designer and leader Bill Ayers than he has previously admitted.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-ayers-partners-in-revolution/


17 posted on 10/03/2008 10:28:30 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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