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New hypersonic missile to be 'uninerceptable'
russia today ^ | 9/29/08 | russia today

Posted on 09/29/2008 8:05:04 PM PDT by Flavius

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To: Gondring

Mach 5 refers to 5 times the speed of sound.


21 posted on 09/29/2008 8:32:57 PM PDT by B4Ranch (I'd rather have a VP that can gut a Moose, than a President that wants to gut our Second Amendment!)
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To: Flavius

Haven’t we been researching & developing scramjet projectiles too? Seems like I read about it 5 years ago.


22 posted on 09/29/2008 8:33:39 PM PDT by FreeInWV (A moose bit my sister. Then Sarah Palin shot it.)
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To: kms61
"particle beam weapon."

Or an Airborne Laser Weapon System.

23 posted on 09/29/2008 8:34:27 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Mr. Binnacle

Got to hit me (hit me)
Hit me (hit me)
Hit me with those laser beams
Laser beam

(One, two)
Relax
Don’t do it
Relax
When you want to come (Come)


24 posted on 09/29/2008 8:37:33 PM PDT by null and void (Good advice is something a man gives when he is too old to set a bad example.-F. de La Rochefoucauld)
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To: spokeshave

Before the Russians (as usual) start pounding on their chests, maybe they should invite the US to even attempt to shoot it down..instead of grandstanding like Chavez, who couldn;t seem to shut up about us (maybe because he’s in love with Bush).


25 posted on 09/29/2008 8:37:36 PM PDT by max americana
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To: Flavius

Only if you’re shooting after it with something typically slower that needs to catch up with it. Of course if you’re shooting at it on the receiving end (the whole point - it will be coming AT you not away from you), an intercept projectile can calculate the projected intercept point regardless of how fast it’s going. So, ridiculous claim.


26 posted on 09/29/2008 8:38:56 PM PDT by MCH
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To: kms61

There are a few smart people, some in India, working on this. They need to be eliminated. The Mossad killed the fellow who was building the “big gun” pointing at Isreal in Iraq. The CIA should set up a heart attack, maybe in the hookers arms, for the lead guy. Number 2 should die in a traffic accident the next day. Number 3 could drown, like Bill Casey, in a lilly pond. Number 4 should die of electrocution in a freak accident in his kitchen.

That will pretty much put joint Indian-Russian hyper missle programs to bed.


27 posted on 09/29/2008 8:39:49 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: EagleUSA

“That takes fuel, lots of it. So does flying at supersonic speed which takes MUCH more fuel. Something wrong with this picture....if this thing does fly at Mach 2.5 it can only be for a very short time, probably at the terminal point of its flight.....”

I worked on a team doing a concept design for something similar, also a Mach 5 missile. It used a scramjet engine, which is a highly efficient jet engine that uses very little fuel once it is up to its cruising speed. I think the planned range was for at least 1,000 miles. You have to launch it from a supersonic airplane just to get the engine started, though, which is a difficult proposition to begin with.

The technology exists to do most of this (for example, scramjets have been around since the late 50’s) but there are many, many hurdles to overcome. Heat is a huge factor with this type of craft, and making an airframe which can survive such high temps hasn’t been solved AFAIK. There’s also lots of issues with finding sensors that can update fast enough when flying at such extreme speeds to keep the missile in stable flight and guided to target.

I’ve mentioned only a couple of issues which have to be faced with something like this, and there are many others. It is a truly daunting task to design and build a missile like that, and I seriously doubt they will be successful. They will probably decide their money is better spent elsewhere.


28 posted on 09/29/2008 8:44:54 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: Gondring
Faster than the speed of light?

Irrelevant. First THEL doesn't actually work -- see the Hezbollah War for proof.

Second, the THEL has to paint the warhead for a sufficient amount of time before it heats up enough to explode. If it's moving faster, it'll have less exposure time before the laser is out of range.

Third, THEL is extremely vulnerable to countermeasures. So even if THEL worked as designed, and you were able to paint a hypersonic target, it would still be easy to cover an incoming warhead with a reflective coating.

29 posted on 09/29/2008 8:45:00 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Flavius

Just need to explode some chaff in front of it. The kinetic energy will take it out. Also, can’t out run a laser.

An AMRAAM is ~ MACH 4.


30 posted on 09/29/2008 8:45:05 PM PDT by cruise_missile (''Edward - Jones:High commissions for lousy investment advice! Making cents out of $.)
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To: max americana
"India, well known for people who..."

built this.


31 posted on 09/29/2008 8:45:52 PM PDT by stormer
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To: spokeshave

LOL, at least they know it the “other left” now.


32 posted on 09/29/2008 8:47:25 PM PDT by Diggity
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To: Flavius

Cant burn that fast that long, would have to be huge to contain the fuel

so, would have to be fired close in, within 15 miles or so to maintain that speed for that flight


33 posted on 09/29/2008 8:47:32 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty; The Pendleton 8: We are not going down without a fight)
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To: max americana
India, well known for people who screw up my customer accounts from US 1-800 # lines due to the fact they couldn’t speak English and worship cows who take a dump in their city streets

Indian universities also give graduate degrees to 350,000 engineers... each year. The country may have lots of problems, but a lack of intelligent, capable people isn't one of them.

34 posted on 09/29/2008 8:49:14 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: webstersII

I worked with a guy that did a finite analysis program for a scramjet engine. It’s capable of MACH 15 I think. It doesn’t even work until MACH 7. Of course it has to go very high for those speeds.

http://www.nasa.gov/missions/research/f_scramjets.html


35 posted on 09/29/2008 8:49:31 PM PDT by cruise_missile (''Edward - Jones:High commissions for lousy investment advice! Making cents out of $.)
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To: mlocher

Does this mean that if the Russian Army isn’t able to get the missiles to work properly that they’ll have to get on the telephone with “technicians” from Calcutta?

I wonder if they speak Russian the same way they speak English? Will they have Russian names too?


36 posted on 09/29/2008 8:50:36 PM PDT by Brucifer ("The dog ate my copy of the Constitution." G W Bush)
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To: Alter Kaker

I shouldn’t have used that picture/link. The point wasn’t that specific system, but the fact that “uninterceptable” is actually a relative term.


37 posted on 09/29/2008 8:51:22 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: RaceBannon

“Cant burn that fast that long, would have to be huge to contain the fuel”

Scramjet engine.

See my post #28.


38 posted on 09/29/2008 8:51:45 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: Brucifer
I wonder if they speak Russian the same way they speak English? Will they have Russian names too?

"Oooh. I'm solly to hear that the missile has exploded from that last step. Ok. Now let's try to reboot it..."

39 posted on 09/29/2008 8:52:58 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Mr. Binnacle

Wasn’t that five fried chickens?

It’s dark and we’re wearing sunglasses.


40 posted on 09/29/2008 8:54:16 PM PDT by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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