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Why Catholic Pro Lifers will vote for Obama (Can you say "Moral Relativism?" Sure.)
America: The National Catholic Weekly ^ | September 28, 2008 | Sidney Callahan

Posted on 10/01/2008 9:44:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Darren McCarty

kidding aren’t you?..hoping that so called conservatives will want to get conservative Supreme court justices in there is folly......they’re “mad” about the bailout so they are going to stomp their feet and elect a Rat congress and a rat prez......


21 posted on 10/01/2008 10:39:11 PM PDT by cherry
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
News flash for Sidney - “you ain't no Catholic”.A so called Catholic or a Conservative voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col.Sanders or an Israeli voting for Achmideniwackjob.
22 posted on 10/01/2008 10:40:46 PM PDT by Apercu ("A man's character is his fate" - Heraclitus)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Delusion...by those who are not aware that they are under its spell. Not only is the abortion issue on Obama such a hot topic, how can she defend his communist buddy ties, his immoral stand on every other issue...? She is just explaining away why she always was going to vote for him...she’s a democrat. She approves of leftist ideology.


23 posted on 10/01/2008 10:56:23 PM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is one Catholic, Pro-Lifer who never will vote Democrat, for many, many reasons, but no the least of which is the unflagging support for the murder fo unborn children.


24 posted on 10/01/2008 10:57:43 PM PDT by truemiester ((If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years))
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To: diamond6

Any Catholic who votes for Obama should be excommunicated.


25 posted on 10/01/2008 11:01:08 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.")
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To: Shery
The author:

Sidney Callahan, Ph.D., holds the McKeever Chair in Moral Theology at St. John's University, Queens, New York. She is a columnist for Commonweal Magazine and a board member or consultant for numerous secular and Catholic organizations that concern ethics and public life including the Notre Dame Center for Ethics and Culture, the Catholic Common Ground Initiative, and the Hastings Center. She is the author of many books including In Good Conscience: Reason and Emotion in Moral Decision Making and Abortion: Understanding Differences (co-edited with Daniel Callahan).

She's also a women priest advocate.

http://www.womenpriests.org/teaching/callahan.asp

26 posted on 10/01/2008 11:01:59 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (This gun for hire)
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To: DennisR; 2ndDivisionVet

I echo your “huh?” I can’t possibly fathom how a consistently pro-life person like McCain can’t be preferred over Obama on that issue. By the way, the author didn’t say anything about Obama’s acceptance of infanticide. I refer to the case where an infant survived an abortion and was allowed to die, which didn’t disturb him. I think someone in the Church should instruct the author (as they did Biden and Pelosi) on the church’s teaching - even those who write in church publications.


27 posted on 10/01/2008 11:02:21 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: JohnnyZ

Speaking of embracing evil... have you seen the Obama youth sing-along?

It sends shivers down my spine everytime I see it.


28 posted on 10/01/2008 11:03:09 PM PDT by diamond6 (Is SIDS preventable? www.stopsidsnow.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What does the Bible say about stealing from others to do your “good works”?

Fool.


29 posted on 10/01/2008 11:03:09 PM PDT by DB
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Can anyone say hypocrite ? She sounds exactly like my sister - thought she wrote it for a moment


30 posted on 10/01/2008 11:10:28 PM PDT by TheCipher
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I read the comments. Fortunately the great majority of the them are in agreement with our views that the author is an idiot and a hypocrite. Unfortunately there were some who were sympatico with this moonbat and bought this kool-aid logic.


31 posted on 10/02/2008 12:35:37 AM PDT by princeofdarkness (Ronald Reagan- "Trust But Verify" MSM- "Report, Lie, Then Crucify")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Let's, now: 40,000 abortions per year, as opposed to a total, over six and a half years, of fewer than 4,000 U.S. casualties in Iraq. Not to mention tens of thousands of Iraqis (do they count, Mr. Callahan?) saved from rape, torture, and murder at the hands of the execrable Husseins.

The "social teaching" Callahan cites isn't Catholic -- it's pure unadulterated Marxism.

32 posted on 10/02/2008 1:58:21 AM PDT by Tenniel2 ("Socialism is the grandiose rationalization of petty resentments" -- von Mises)
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To: diamond6

This is what the Bible refers to in Revelation as “The Apostacy” - churches who have fallen away.


33 posted on 10/02/2008 2:50:01 AM PDT by Florida native
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hey Sidney....I KNOW you are a FRAUD because MASS should LAWAYS be CAPITALIZED. You show your CONTEMPT and dis-respect when you print it as mass......it’s MASS.


34 posted on 10/02/2008 3:48:14 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy

uh ALWAYS......Mass....Sidney....MASS....show some respect.


35 posted on 10/02/2008 3:51:20 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: fatima; tioga

i do believe it is Satan behind these supposed prolife Catholics who are promoting Obama. it is evil, there is no way around it.


36 posted on 10/02/2008 3:58:22 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Darren McCarty; narses; ELS; cpforlife.org; Salvation; wagglebee; Jim Robinson; Caleb1411; rhema; ..
In twenty years, under democrat control, America could slaughter another 20,000,000 of her alive unborn children. The time is NOW to stop this evil. ... Yes, evil!

The kerfuffle of Obama defending the killing of alive just born premature children who survive abortion attempt is being down played by careful misdirection. The truth of what Illinois Senator Obama was protecting is far more demonic.

In the news of late is one Gianna Jessen, in her thirties now, survivor of a saline scalding abortion hired by her mother to attempt, in order to kill Gianna in her mother's womb then deliver her scalded and burned. Had the abortionist succeeded, the delivered corpse would have been 'less fit' for fetal tissue harvesting. But Gianna's case occurred at a time when the fetal tissue industry was off the radar, though we know it was around because fetal tissues were used in the development of vaccines in use then.

What Senator Obama was seeking to protect was the increasing in popularity form of killing the alive unborn via forced premature birth, then discarding the alive, struggling child to die unattended, alone, to produce more 'pristine' fetal tissues for harvesting by the then (in the nineties) billion dollar tissue industry. The thing Obama was protecting is so evil, it defies credulity. And yet, that method of killing the unborn was becoming a popular way to avoid killing the children in utero, and to delivering more usable fetal tissues for dissection and shipping.

That is the hideous truth of the evil Barack Obama was seeking to protect with his ardent Illinois Senate work to block born alive infant protection bills. As a constitutional law student, he knew the treatment of alive just born preemies didn't endanger Roe v Wade ... he was purposely protecting the killing-by-neglect of born alive infants!

In typical deceitful democrat style, Barack Obama offered as his excuse for this embrace of evil the tired mantra of protecting a woman's right to choose. And the current media fail miserably to call him on even that, much less expose the true depth of the evil he was seeking to protect.

Ask yourself, Catholic brethren, If Senator Barack Obama actually believed he was protecting a woman's right to choose, wasn't he in fact then trying to protect some right he perceived for women to kill alive, born children? Wasn't he in fact seeking to protect infanticide? Of course he was! That is the actual conclusion, but the sycophantic media will not draw public attention to it, so Catholic and Protestant Christians are misdirected and end up embracing a man so twisted that he would defend infanticide for his own political empowerment.

If evil was freshly painted, Barack Obama would have paint on the front and arms of his suit where he has embraced it.

37 posted on 10/02/2008 7:29:11 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Alouette; cherry; GWMcClintock

ping


38 posted on 10/02/2008 7:49:44 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Here's the comment I tried to post on there. I suspect they've closed the posting because the article was getting hammered.

Obama called babies "a punishment". He voted against protecting the victims of botched abortions. He voted against banning partial birth abortions.

By contrast, John McCain has a vastly better record on life issues. While not perfect, he has been staunchly pro-life on the subject of abortion and will likely appoint judges to the Supreme Court who will vote to overturn the disgraceful travesty known as Roe v. Wade.

Any Catholic voting for Obama knowing all this is committing a mortal sin. Worse, a Catholic, like the author of this piece, who tries to convince others to vote for pro-abortion Obama, is compounding his sin.

In good faith, if you truly are a Catholic, I would ask you to withdraw this article immediately. You are leading others into sin.
39 posted on 10/02/2008 7:55:36 AM PDT by Antoninus (If you're bashing McCain/Palin at this point, you're working for Obama.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Here's the author in all her glory. BA from Bryn Mawr (should tell you all you need to know) and now and advisor to the Notre Dame Centre for Ethics and Culture.

picture of Sidney Callahan

Sidney Callahan

Sidney Callahan, Ph.D., is an author, lecturer, college professor, and licensed psychologist. In 2002-2003, she held the Paul J. McKeever Chair of Moral Theology, St. John's University, Queens, NY and she was a Professor of Psychology with Tenure at Mercy College from 1980-1997. She received her B.A. in English from Bryn Mawr College, her M.A. in Psychology from Sarah Lawrence College and a Ph.D. in Social and Personality Psychology from the City of New York. Callahan has written many articles, books, and columns devoted to religious, psychological, and ethical questions. She is author of In Good Conscience: Reason and Emotion in Moral Decision Making (San Francisco: Harper San Francisco, 1991); With All Our Heart and Mind: The Spiritual Works of Mercy in a Psychological Age (New York: Crossroads/Continuum, 1988 [Winner of Christopher Award, 1988]); Abortion: Understanding Differences, Co-edited with Daniel Callahan (New York: Plenum Press, 1984); and Parenting: Principles and Politics of Parenthood (New York: Doubleday, 1973).

Callahan was an invited speaker for our "Culture of Death," "Culture of Life" and "From Death to Life" conferences.

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Allowing individuals like this to be advisors on the subject of Ethics and Culture in Catholic institutions is precisely why Catholics are so screwed up today. She needs to be fired immediately. Let her peddle her baby-killing mumbo-jumbo at some secular institution.

40 posted on 10/02/2008 8:03:11 AM PDT by Antoninus (If you're bashing McCain/Palin at this point, you're working for Obama.)
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