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Do Facts Matter
Townhall.com ^ | Friday, October 03, 2008 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 10/03/2008 7:37:11 PM PDT by edge10

Abraham Lincoln said, "You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time."

Unfortunately, the future of this country, as well as the fate of the Western world, depends on how many people can be fooled on election day, just a few weeks from now.

Right now, the polls indicate that a whole lot of the people are being fooled a whole lot of the time.

The current financial bailout crisis has propelled Barack Obama back into a substantial lead over John McCain-- which is astonishing in view of which man and which party has had the most to do with bringing on this crisis.

It raises the question: Do facts matter? Or is Obama's rhetoric and the media's spin enough to make facts irrelevant?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: sowell; thomassowell; tsbo

1 posted on 10/03/2008 7:37:11 PM PDT by edge10
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To: edge10
but you can't fool all the people all the time

Only have to fool them until the election is over. ;-)

2 posted on 10/03/2008 7:40:08 PM PDT by doc1019 (Obama IS running against Palin)
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To: edge10

The rest of the article is over at http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/10/03/do_facts_matter In case that wasn’t clear.


3 posted on 10/03/2008 7:42:00 PM PDT by edge10
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To: edge10
....not to Liberals / Socialist Marxists.
4 posted on 10/03/2008 7:42:35 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass ("Annoy the media, elect PALIN and McCAIN....errr....McCAIN / PALIN.....McPALIN" 8^)
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To: doc1019

Facts don’t matter to Democrats/liberals/radicals/anarchists.

To them, the only thing that matters is winning elections and forcing their social/political/economic changes on society, by any means necessary.


5 posted on 10/03/2008 7:42:43 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: edge10
Do facts matter? Or is Obama's rhetoric and the media's spin enough to make facts irrelevant?

Unfortunately, the answers to those questions are no and yes.

6 posted on 10/03/2008 7:43:57 PM PDT by appleharvey
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To: doc1019

Society in the USA in 2008 for the most part thinks with their emotions, and sees pain, and decides with what they FEEL in their heart. Reason, logic and clear thought has been tossed to the wind. Market advertising shows this trend to dominate in religion, politics and economics. So....Palin is the HEART of the Republican party right now, and she is the cash cow that just might get McCain elected. He did well picking her. She is the REAL McCoy...authentic and people sense her heart is in the right place, this might lead them to trust her and they would vote....for the Team of Mavericks.


7 posted on 10/03/2008 7:44:09 PM PDT by rovenstinez (#)
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To: edge10

The “bailout crisis” is not why McCain’s numbers slipped. The bailout is unpopular, and the candidates have basically the same position on it. Obama got a boost because Democrats always get a boost when the economy sounds weak because Democrats are always saying the economy is weak, even when it’s strong.


8 posted on 10/03/2008 7:44:21 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: edge10

Obama has the magic formula: promise 95% of people no new taxes or promise them a tax reduction. This allows the 95% to steal everything from the 5%.

Oh wait. the top 2 1/2 will be able to hide their income offshore or in trusts. This includes most members of the Senate, Hollywood liberals, many wealthy members of Congress, etc.

So, this is the class Communist war on the middle class, abetted by the wealthy.

Obama has declared war on the American taxpayer and he is winning!


9 posted on 10/03/2008 7:45:53 PM PDT by whitedog57
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To: edge10

I hate to tell you this but FACTS mean very little to Democrats and are completely irrelevant to anyone on the LEFT.


10 posted on 10/03/2008 7:46:48 PM PDT by PISANO
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To: rovenstinez
short / concise.
11 posted on 10/03/2008 7:46:54 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass ("Annoy the media, elect PALIN and McCAIN....errr....McCAIN / PALIN.....McPALIN" 8^)
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To: edge10

How can Hussein promise 95% of the people tax reduction when only 70% pay tax?

Does this mean he will give money to those unfairly left out of his tax reduction proposal?


12 posted on 10/03/2008 7:48:19 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac - are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' Barney Frank 9-10-03)
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To: edge10
Sowell's conclusion:

Facts don't matter much politically if they are not reported.

The media alone are not alone in keeping the facts from the public. Republicans, for reasons unknown, don't seem to know what it is to counter-attack. They deserve to lose.

But the country does not deserve to be put in the hands of a glib and cocky know-it-all, who has accomplished absolutely nothing beyond the advancement of his own career with rhetoric, and who has for years allied himself with a succession of people who have openly expressed their hatred of America.

Is anyone at Camp McCain listening?

13 posted on 10/03/2008 7:52:42 PM PDT by Semper911 (When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
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To: Tublecane
Incumbent parties always struggle in an election.
14 posted on 10/03/2008 7:57:09 PM PDT by misterrob (Obama-Keep the Change!)
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To: misterrob

“Incumbent parties always struggle in an election”

That’s true, but it doesn’t explain specifically why McCain’s numbers fell after the Palin boost. It does probably explain why Obama was ahead in the first place.


15 posted on 10/03/2008 8:00:59 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: whitedog57
Obama has the magic formula: promise 95% of people no new taxes or promise them a tax reduction.

What is the % for people paying less taxes for McCain?
16 posted on 10/03/2008 8:06:42 PM PDT by igoramus08
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To: edge10; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp; Jeff Head; PhilDragoo; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Sowell is a killer. These last two paragraphs kick out the jams:

The media alone are not alone in keeping the facts from the public. Republicans, for reasons unknown, don't seem to know what it is to counter-attack. They deserve to lose.

But the country does not deserve to be put in the hands of a glib and cocky know-it-all, who has accomplished absolutely nothing beyond the advancement of his own career with rhetoric, and who has for years allied himself with a succession of people who have openly expressed their hatred of America.

17 posted on 10/03/2008 8:14:11 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: edge10; AbeKrieger; abigail2; Alia; Amalie; American Quilter; arthurus; awelliott; Bahbah; ...
*PING*
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Please FReepmail me if you would like to be added to, or removed from, the Thomas Sowell ping list…

18 posted on 10/03/2008 8:20:42 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: edge10
Who in Congress defended Franklin Raines? Liberal Democrats, including Maxine Waters and the Congressional Black Caucus, at least one of whom referred to the "lynching" of Raines, as if it was racist to hold him to the same standard as white CEOs.

Sowell nails it yet again.

19 posted on 10/03/2008 8:25:54 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("Capitalism still works. The free marketplace and competition still work." -Gov. Sarah Palin)
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To: jazusamo
A majority of Americans simply do not get how very, very stupid the democrats are on the economy (and everything else). It's going to take a lot of pain to awaken them, and it may not be in time.

Dr. Sowell echoes my sentiments. They may well vote into office the very people who are most responsible. The thought makes me cringe.

20 posted on 10/03/2008 8:26:41 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Governor Palin won the debate hands down!!! Just beautiful! : ))
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To: TAdams8591

Agreed and lets hope it doesn’t take electing BO to inflict that pain, it could take an extremely long time to recover.


21 posted on 10/03/2008 8:32:43 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: NoLibZone
How can Hussein promise 95% of the people tax reduction when only 70% pay tax?

You're not going to like this - but Obama's plan is to give "tax reduction" to people who never paid taxes. Yep, think "welfare", handout, gift, boondoggle...

In short, everyone gets a check - if they paid a dime into the system or not.

Now those people in the middle will get a check with one hand and the bill with the other. Someone has to pay for all his generosity and it's us... We get the bill. Well, you NoLilbZone get the bill.

22 posted on 10/03/2008 8:33:42 PM PDT by GOPJ (More BAILOUTS coming: Mutual&Hedge funds, Credit & Insurance companies, States. It's SHAKEDOWN TIME.)
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To: edge10

The hope of the truth getting out so far has been email links of videos and newspaper articles from the 1990’s. A sad day for American and the press.


23 posted on 10/03/2008 8:34:50 PM PDT by TruthWillWin
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To: jazusamo

Every day the polls for McCain get worse. A Republican is the president and the fianacial crisis is being blamed on Republicans. How fortunate for Obama.


24 posted on 10/03/2008 8:40:10 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Governor Palin won the debate hands down!!! Just beautiful! : ))
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To: jazusamo
My prediction: McCain-Palin by 5 points in the general, and 40 states, and I'm low-balling it.

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25 posted on 10/03/2008 9:08:27 PM PDT by smoothsailing ( Bill Russell can defeat John Murtha - Visit http://russellbrigade.com/)
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To: smoothsailing

Am praying you’re right, Smooth. I’ll throw in with you, maybe what little brain power I’ve got will push us over the top.

I’m thinking maybe this turn in the polls lately towards BO could be a media induced hoax, stranger things have happened with the enemedia.

LOL! That’s a great graphic! Being the lady she is I noticed she said please. :)


26 posted on 10/03/2008 9:19:23 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: edge10

“Do Facts Matter”

Not any longer


27 posted on 10/03/2008 9:33:19 PM PDT by Islander7 ("Common sense and common decency are uncommon virtues among America's left.")
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To: jazusamo
Well, I'm praying too. McCain has to step up to the plate now. It's all about talking over and around the media at this point, they're obviously in the tank for the anointed one, but so what? At the end of the day, they don't call the shots unless we let them.
28 posted on 10/03/2008 9:46:48 PM PDT by smoothsailing ( Bill Russell can defeat John Murtha - Visit http://russellbrigade.com/)
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To: jazusamo; RedRover

Just saw this:

http://murthamustgo.blogspot.com/2008/10/johnstown-democratstill-in-bed-with.html

What do you think, worth a thread tomorrow if nothing else pops up?


29 posted on 10/03/2008 9:58:35 PM PDT by smoothsailing ( Bill Russell can defeat John Murtha - Visit http://russellbrigade.com/)
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To: smoothsailing

Looks like it would make a good thread to me. He hits the Trib-Dem pretty hard and rightfully so. Being Saturday it’s doubtful anything would come up.

You think just a Murtha and Haditha ping or Russell too?


30 posted on 10/03/2008 10:10:06 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: Semper911; BOBTHENAILER
"Is anyone at Camp McCain listening?"

No, because he's always off in his own little excentric "maverick" world, looking out through his distorted little glass belly button!!!

It will be a God granted MIRACLE if he is elected President!!!

Then, when he is, he'll be insufferable as Schwartzenegger has been with his worship of Al Gore and the Coumo kid and all the rest of the Demonicrats, appointing them to his cabinet and other positions of power while passing on conservative Republicans!!!

31 posted on 10/03/2008 10:45:27 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Obama... Just another lying Commonist Communutty Organizing thug from the south side of Chicago!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

Damn we’re screwed...


32 posted on 10/03/2008 11:00:11 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY (guess I'm just a spudboy)
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To: jazusamo

If we do it, might as well do all three. As you say, it’s the weekend. I figure we hold back and see if something else pops up. If not, we go for it with this. It’s a blog site technically, but the mods might let it slide.


33 posted on 10/03/2008 11:14:24 PM PDT by smoothsailing ( Bill Russell can defeat John Murtha - Visit http://russellbrigade.com/)
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To: SierraWasp; GATOR NAVY

Now, Now, boys. No need to get all worked up. After all, McCain could croak as Pres. and then Sarah gets the job. On the other hand, if Obama gets the job and croaks, Biden gets the job. Buck up, lads, let’s get this done.


34 posted on 10/03/2008 11:21:09 PM PDT by smoothsailing ( Bill Russell can defeat John Murtha - Visit http://russellbrigade.com/)
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To: jazusamo

I’m off, brother. Tomorrow there be more dragons.


35 posted on 10/03/2008 11:24:27 PM PDT by smoothsailing ( Bill Russell can defeat John Murtha - Visit http://russellbrigade.com/)
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To: smoothsailing

I don’t know what you’re smoking, but I’d like a hit of it. I hope you are correct!!!


36 posted on 10/04/2008 1:05:57 AM PDT by karnage
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To: edge10
I was dismayed to watch Sarah Palin bash "Wall Street greed" instead of firing both barrels at at Frank, Shumer, Raines, Obama, and the other Democrat creators and beneficiaries of the worst financial crisis in memory.

I can only assume that she is following McCain's lead. McCain is a self-hating Republican who does not really believe in Reaganomics, aka tax cuts for the rich.

McCain has one last chance in the coming debates. He can tell the truth, explain some simple economics to the American people, and stand up for economic growth policies, and still possibly win. If he doesn't do that, even if he wins, his mandate will be for more big government interference in capital markets, which will doom his presidency.

As the always clear Prof. Sowell puts it, facts matter. Greed did create this crisis, but it was the greed of congressmen.

37 posted on 10/04/2008 2:19:00 AM PDT by SupplySider
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To: GOPJ
How can Hussein promise 95% of the people tax reduction when only 70% pay tax?

Facts, and truth, don't matter to Democrats and the media, except in the service of power.

To this crowd, tax cuts to the rich are expenditures, expenditures to the poor are tax cuts, government spending programs are investments, and private investments are lost revenue.

Cooperating with warmongering dictators is being peaceful, standing up to them is being belligerent. Trapping kids in disfunctional schools is supporting education, and giving them money for better private schooling is undermining education. Treating minorities differently is equality, treating everyone the same is bigotry. Wishing success for the troops is imperialistic, wishing them failure is patriotic.

Sorry for ranting. I could fill a page with these. Modern Democrats positions aren't just unfactual, they are anti-factual.

38 posted on 10/04/2008 2:39:07 AM PDT by SupplySider
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To: edge10; jazusamo
Thomas Sowell is such a great analyst that it is presumptuous to criticize him, generally. But on the issue of "bias in the media," I have to say that my The Right to Know thread is (in my humble opinion) more illuminating than any article which merely gives one or two examples of "bias in the media" does not attempt any analysis of the causes of that pervasive phenomenon.

39 posted on 10/04/2008 4:14:19 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The conceit of journalistic objectivity is profoundly subversive of democratic principle.)
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To: doc1019
Lincoln addressed "fools and tomfoolery".

The Libs were short and to the point when they modified Lincoln's truism in their take on this old saw.

"All people are fools!"

40 posted on 10/04/2008 6:15:45 AM PDT by Young Werther (Julius Caesar (Quae Cum Ita Sunt. Since these things are so.))
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To: SupplySider
Sorry for ranting. I could fill a page with these

Liked you rant - it would make a great stand alone post... Maybe other freepers would like to add to the list.

I had a liberal tell me once that patriotism was the willingness to criticize your country.

41 posted on 10/04/2008 6:30:01 AM PDT by GOPJ (More BAILOUTS coming: Mutual&Hedge funds, Credit & Insurance companies, States. It's SHAKEDOWN TIME.)
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To: edge10

Facts do not matter if you are a demo-rat. Just make stuff up on the spot to make yourself look smarter.

I recommend reading George Orwell’s book “1984” on a “hypothetical” society that lives in a world where no truth is spoken and everything is based on a lie. It will remind you of demo-ratic campaigning.

JoMa


42 posted on 10/04/2008 6:36:53 AM PDT by joma89
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Excellent piece, thanks for linking, CIC. Bookmarked to read entire thread later and have for future reference.


43 posted on 10/04/2008 8:50:06 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: smoothsailing; calcowgirl; ElkGroveDan; Carry_Okie; tubebender; hedgetrimmer; forester; ...
Hey! I could "buck up" just fine if I hadn't been through Schwartzenfrauder already here in Cauleeforneeah!!! Geesh!!!

Both he and Juan McGore have some terribly strange ideas about how a Republican should act and absolutely no allegiance to conservative principles whatsoever!!!

Yes! Palin is the only possible bright spot on the current horizon and she is being dragged down by the sensless stuff from the "maverick" smaverick AZ Senator!!!

It's hard to watch, let alone be "buck up!" I'm thinking we're already pretty bucked-up and whistling in the dark as it is!!!

44 posted on 10/04/2008 8:58:42 AM PDT by SierraWasp (Obama... Just another lying Commonist Communutty Organizing thug from the south side of Chicago!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

You are right....this campaign, if the gloves stay on, will have to rank as one of the worst ever run.

Let’s see, how can I continue to PISS off the base. Al Gore? CHECK...Cuomo? CHECK.

My friends, I’ve even succeeded in making BOBTHENAILER very angry that he contributed. I’m such a maverick, heh, huh, heh,heh heh.


45 posted on 10/04/2008 9:20:23 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
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To: jazusamo

Murtha Must Go put this up today.

http://murthamustgo.blogspot.com/2008/10/murtha-trying-to-lose-war-were-in.html

I like it as much as the one on the Trib-Dem. Which one do you want to go with? I’m going to have to post either one in blogs.


46 posted on 10/04/2008 10:14:03 AM PDT by smoothsailing ( Bill Russell can defeat John Murtha - Visit http://russellbrigade.com/)
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To: Semper911

“Is anyone at Camp McCain listening? “

No.


47 posted on 10/04/2008 10:15:33 AM PDT by Sunnyflorida (Unless you are nice and thoughtful you will be ignored. Write in Thomas Sowell.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

It baffles me why Thomas Sowell is not a key advisor
to McCain or other Presidential nominees.


48 posted on 10/28/2008 1:25:18 PM PDT by gigster
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To: gigster
It baffles me why Thomas Sowell is not a key advisor to McCain or other Presidential nominees.
The main question is why the Republican Party nominates people who do NOT make Sowell a key advisor - if not, in times past, their VP nominee.

49 posted on 10/29/2008 4:20:21 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The conceit of journalistic objectivity is profoundly subversive of democratic principle.)
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