Posted on 10/09/2008 8:42:34 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
do you have a source for this information?
“As recent individuals in the news show us, we can do all we can to raise our kids to be good, responsible people, but as parents, we can’t police the entire world.”
As parents, we do the best we can. We try to teach our kids about responsibility, accountability, work ethic, Faith, etc. Eventually, it comes down to them. I learned from my parents, my husband learned, and hopefully our kids will learn.
Sarah Palin has a 17 yr old daughter who is pregnant. It’s not something we wish for our kids but if it happens we deal with it. And when we get past the shock, the embarassment (talking about family experiences, we have a few), we pull together as a family. I sure as hell don’t wish this on my kids but if it happens, after the yelling, we’d deal with it and once that baby is born, the past is forgotten.
As parents, we can barely police our own kids. There comes a time we have to let them go, make their own mistakes.
“I’ve had two doctors I trust tell me that if (or when) it is their kids, they’d recommend the vaccine.”
My kids’ doctor is the Dad of my almost 13 yr old’s best friend. Our 16 yr olds, boy and girl, friends since K. Our almost 13 yr olds are best friends (BFFs). He always does a PC even for our copay. I trust him.
I asked my Gyno what she was doing (she gave her teens the shot). She delivered my two youngest kids, they’re the same age as her two youngest. Also, while she was coming off her shift and stopped in to see me, back in 96, she asked if she could do anything for me and I said, yeah you could deliver this kid (c-section, 3rd of 4). And she did. Called the Dr. who was supposed to deliver and said she was doing it. Delivered the next one too. There are some doctors who are fantastic. My OB-GYN, our primary care physician, our kids doctor, all wonderful. I trust them all.
“We have a family friend whose granddaughter became infected with this virus from her first boyfriend at around 17. She developed cancer about two years later. Not only will she never have children (the cancer had spread), but she will never be right, physically. It’s been 6 or so years and she still isn’t out of the woods.”
I’m so sorry. Prayers for your friend’s granddaughter.
I don’t know all that much about this virus or what causes it, etc. I went with our doctor’s advice.
Thanks for your post.
Twink wrote:
I don’t think Gardisil vaccine is about sex.
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but this vaccine has nothing to do with STDs...
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You were up awfully late when you wrote that. I hope by now, you’ve had some coffee and are able to think.
News Flash: THE GARDASIL VACCINE IS ALL ABOUT SEX. It is designed to prevent an STD which causes cancer. And the way you get this STD is through....
wait for it...
sex.
And now as I mock you for your total misunderstanding of the subject, let me back up and apologize for mocking you earlier with my condom remarks. Yes they were “too personal”.
But I still believe there is a direct connection to Gardasil and teen sex just as there is to condoms and teen sex.
One prevents cancer. (We hope)
The other prevents babies. (We hope)
So if there was an HIV vaccine you wouldn’t want your kid to get it? I don’t think the idea is to assume anything but to prepare for the worst because kids, no matter how will raised, do stupid things. I’m sure Palin raised her kid right and look what happened. I know kids who were raised right way back in the day before the hyper-sexualization of culture and they did stupid things.
It's actually quite an Islamic point of view - that it's better that the girl die of cancer than get a shot that might lead everyone to condemn her parents because they think she might become a slut some day.
“You my friend are an idiot. “
NO, you my friend are the idiot. You are the one giving your children tacit permission for unprotected sex.
For the sake of your daughter I hope she inherited most of her genes from your spouse and not you because you are a disgrace to the gene pool.
Stick that in your pipe and smoke it!
Your quote isn’t mine, so don’t ask me for the source.
“A woman could be totally chaste and virginal until her marriage but if her husband was not so before their marriage, he could carry the virus”
That’s what bothers me...males can carry this virus. They aren’t being vaccinated, as far as I know.
I don’t understand the hysteria associated with this vaccine either. I was really hesitant to have my two teens (almost 18, and 16) get the vaccine. I was also hesitant to allow my two youngest to get the Chicken Pox vaccine. I waited until this year for them, almost 13 and almost 11, to get the Chicken Pox vaccine. My two older kids got chicken pox so figured the two youngest would too. They didn’t so finally caved and got them the vaccine this year.
I was hesitant about the Gardisil vaccine as I’ve been hesitant about any vaccine or medicine that hasn’t been around for decades. No hesitation with the polio, MMR, etc. vaccines. And this year, both teens got the Mennigitis (sp) vaccine (one had a reaction, passed out, which was common in the doctor’s office from what I was told). The other teen had no problem with it.
“Any young woman that thinks that the Gardisil vaccine will prevent all STD’s and give her card blanche to have indiscriminate sex is either stupid or had irresponsible parents who never bothered to teach her about the facts of life.”
Well said. Thank you for saying it.
“And now as I mock you for your total misunderstanding of the subject”
Another mocking. Great way to have a serious discussion. I don’t think I’m totally misunderstanding the subject.
“back up and apologize for mocking you earlier with my condom remarks. Yes they were “too personal”.
Thank you for that. That comment was way too personal and uncalled for, imo.
I figure we’re Conservatives here, or mostly we’re all conservatives. That means social conservatives, too. I know how I’m trying to raise my kids, just like my parents tried to raise me and my sibs.
Condoms have been around since way before I was born. Same with “the pill” or other forms of Birth Control. None had made me think pre-marital sex was ok or gave me a pass to engage in teen sex. Or pre-marital sex.
We have TV shows, movies, much popular culture that encourages premarital sex, homo sex/homo lifestyle as normal, etc. Yet, my kids still say ewwww when they see homos on TV or in movies. As for teens having sex, there’s tons of teens not having sex, too. They just don’t get the press. Back in the 80’s, every teen was having sex, often if we went by what the Media told us. Well, I wasn’t and many of my friends weren’t either. And those who were, were in serious relationships, in love, and caught up in all the excitement of that “love.”
We all try to raise our kids right. Then it’s up to them.
Mock away :)
I also was involved in the conception of my child, which I hope will some day result in her (and my sons) having the opportunity to realize just how wonderful having a child of their own is.
Last time I checked, that typically requires unprotected sex. Does even conceiving and raising a child, especially with my direct and intentional hope that they too will someday have the same joys as me also count as "tacit permission for unprotected sex"?
How about the flu vaccine? If I want my children to be vaccinated for the influenza, am I giving them tacit approval to get busy? Sure you could get the flu other ways, but getting busy would lead to a lot of direct contact. Am I giving "tacit permission for unprotected sex" with the flu vaccine?
How about letting my daughter walk around without a burka? Is her very existance on this earth "tacit permission for unprotected sex"?
While I am a big fan of Clarence Thomas, I'd have to say I'm not much of a fan of the lack of ability to present an intelligent comment you indicate.
For the sake of your daughter I hope she inherited most of her genes from your spouse and not you because you are a disgrace to the gene pool.
Short lesson for you, the genes of a child are the result of both mother and father. If a child got "most" of their genes from one parent, there would be problems.
Much more serious than the problems you have with lack of intelligence. But, I would suspect, given the quality and intelligence of your post, that understanding even the basics of genetics (Mom + Dad = Kid) will have you google searching for hours...
you are a disgrace to the gene pool
Your comment is noted and will be appropriately filed with other irrelevant items.
Honestly, to say that a parent who voluntarily chooses to have their child vaccinated from virus which can cause cancer is a disgrace to the gene pool is the epitome of idiocy.
Stick that in your pipe and smoke it!
No thanks, I prefer a fine cigar. And you sir, are an extreme idiot.
wait for it...
sex.
If my child makes a poor decision does she deserve to die from cancer?
If a loved one of yours makes a poor decision or is sexually assaulted do they deserve to die from cancer?
"But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."
"But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."
Not even a good attempt at avoiding the question...
I asked a simple question - if a person makes a poor choice, do they deserve to die from cancer?
Answer the question. Or are you afraid to confirm that you certainly are an extreme idiot?
This debate is not about killing unborn children, it is about a vaccine for a virus that may cause cancer.
Do you approve of stoning women who are not accompanied by a family member? Are you part of the Burkha Bunch or what?
Should men who, by definition are part of the it takes two to tango equation,deserve to die for making a poor choice.
Are you posting from Saudi Arabia?
As a member here for more than 10 years, I could report your abusive posts(calling posters idiots), but I don’t want to trouble the moderators too much. But if you continue to be abusive towards me, I will have no other choice.
“As a member here for more than 10 years”
“Since Apr 10, 2003”
You need to recheck your math or buy a new calendar.
Nor does your name appear on the donor list.
Your inference to some type of superior rank as a Freeper appears to be without evidence.
Might want to thicken that skin a bit.
You posted:
You are the one giving your children tacit permission for unprotected sex.
Not sure what you have to support that, but I did take it personally.
You posted: For the sake of your daughter I hope she inherited most of her genes from your spouse and not you because you are a disgrace to the gene pool.
Not all that cordial, but I didn't lose any sleep over it.
You Posted:
Stick that in your pipe and smoke it!
Useless.
I called you an idiot in response. Which is worse being an idiot or a disgrace to the gene pool and inferring that I am bad parent?
Report abuse if you want and if the mods think I'm out of line they will tell me so or ban me. But you might want to make sure your glass house doesn't get dinged in the process...
I still don't know why you and some of the others won't answer the simple question as to whether or not person who makes a mistake deserves to die from cancer. Nor have I seen an answer as to why other vaccines designed to prevent communicable diseases, fail to garner your angst.
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