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This could be the game changer (updated)
American Thinker ^ | October 11, 2008 | Thomas Lifson

Posted on 10/12/2008 1:39:32 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: neverdem

Obama Birth Certificate Fraud Proof

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIsQJNTvlUE


21 posted on 10/12/2008 2:25:08 PM PDT by RasterMaster (CHANGE is not a destination - HOPE is not a strategy)
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To: Trust but Verify

Nor do their media buds care. If they were reporting instead of supporting, it might be a different story.


22 posted on 10/12/2008 2:25:46 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: savedbygrace

He gave a long resume, lifelong Dem, impressive if true. Probably a Hillary supporter.


23 posted on 10/12/2008 2:27:43 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: neverdem

Until we have a national biometric ID system, with redundancies built in for back-up (i.e. retaining a full set of records at federal AND state AND county levels), we’ll never know who anybody really is or where they were really born. We don’t know who the registered voters are, we don’t know who’s here illegally, we don’t know who the employees are in secure areas of airports or in nursing homes where they have unfettered access to extremely vulnerable people, we don’t know who the person is that we rented an apartment to. Until conservatives (and others) get over the idea that the government has no right to require us to prove who we really are, then we won’t ever really know who anybody else is. Unfortunate, but true.


24 posted on 10/12/2008 2:33:08 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: neverdem

Shame Berg didn’t file sooner. If this case is delayed until after the election and Obama is elected, Obama will find a way to have this thrown out. That is why it is important to have proof before November - which is only a few weeks away.


25 posted on 10/12/2008 2:34:04 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: Mamzelle

He is a Hillary supporter.


26 posted on 10/12/2008 2:36:14 PM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: kitkat
Hawaii will only release a valid birth certificate to the person involved or near relatives. Obama Hussein just went to Hawaii for a week, and DID NOT return with a birth certificate. Either he could NOT get it, or he did and is holding it to the last second before election to make us (and HItlery) look foolish.

The latter makes a lot of sense.

27 posted on 10/12/2008 2:49:37 PM PDT by CedarDave (John McCain -- "Country First" is getting yourself elected. Save us from Obama and the socialists!)
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To: neverdem

Hot Air.com blows this story to pieces.


28 posted on 10/12/2008 2:49:39 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: neverdem
Someone on another thread posted a very humble but conclusive piece of evidence--his birth announcement in the Hawaiian newspaper. It ain't a legal document I suppose, but it's good enough for me. I doubt anyone was faking public records announcements for selected babies in 1961. Obama is letting you guys waste energy and oxygen and make fools out of yourselves for grins..
29 posted on 10/12/2008 2:57:02 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Trust but Verify
"total control"

You're right about not convincing hard-core Dems, but what McCain is after is the squishy twenty to twentyfive percent. He's only behind in many polls by four or five points. He just has to persuade about two and one-half to three percent of the pollees to change their minds. Any ammunition helps.

30 posted on 10/12/2008 2:57:59 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: neverdem

I think it’s a great video, and I think this issue is vitally important.

I sent it to my list and urged them all to watch it.

It is not over-the-top emotional. It does not exaggerate or play creep music. But absolutely everything he says is factual.

And, IMHO, unanswerable.

Obama has stonewalled and refused to produce his birth records for going on six months now. WHY? What is he hiding?

It is inconceivable that someone who is running for president, whose citizenship is in grave doubt, would refuse to produce his birth records.

What, is he refusing because he is lazy? Because he is contrary? Because he is, well, odd? Because he just doesn’t feel like it? None of that makes any sense.

We must demand, more and more loudly, that he produce ALL OF HIS OFFICIAL BIRTH RECORDS, including the original hospital records complete with footprint.


31 posted on 10/12/2008 3:15:49 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: shield
Hot Air.com blows this story to pieces.

They have run a lot of stories against it, but none of them are conclusive.

32 posted on 10/12/2008 3:21:43 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: neverdem

Illuminati Productions?

Why not call it “Tin Foil Hat Productions?”

Or ...”I’m a Nut Productions?”

Or...”Conspiracy Everywhere Productions”?

The guy starts out undercutting whatever slim credibility he possessed in the first 5 seconds of the film.


33 posted on 10/12/2008 3:42:50 PM PDT by cookcounty (Dismissing Ayers as a 1960's radical is like saying Barbara Walters is a 1960's TV dogfood salesman)
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To: Cicero

It is confusing....was a birth certificate for BHO found in Kenya? Did his Mom go to Kenya before his birth? Or was he born in Hawaii?


34 posted on 10/12/2008 3:51:28 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: AZLiberty

roflmao, and also tell him to grow some hair or the DU Dummies will call him a skinhead


35 posted on 10/12/2008 4:05:08 PM PDT by DrHannibalLecter
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To: Doug TX

Thanks for the link.


36 posted on 10/12/2008 4:18:44 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: XR7

Thanks for the link.


37 posted on 10/12/2008 4:22:35 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
What you've said proves little.

If, as it appears, Lolo Soetero took Barry and Stanley Ann Dunham to Indonesia, adopting him or claiming guardianship, enrolled him in school, and went through the correct motions of his becoming an Indonesian citizen, as paperwork evidence suggests, the US required Barry to reclaim his U.S. citizenship through his own action at the time he reached majority. If he didn't do that, and no record found suggests he did, Barry may not even be a US citizen. If documentation showing that he took an oath of citizenship long ago doesn't exist, it's possible he's an illegal alien or at minimum, no longer able to be considered a "natural-born citizen," as is required to be eligible for the presidency, even if he was able to get a US passport by showing, for example, the Hawaiian COLB Daily KOS has had on their website.

HF

38 posted on 10/12/2008 5:20:46 PM PDT by holden
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To: RasterMaster

Thanks for the link.


39 posted on 10/12/2008 5:32:07 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: shield

We really don’t know.

His mother did announce his birth in a Hawaian newspaper, a few days after he was supposedly born there. But she could have done that in any case, and perhaps would have if, as speculated, he was born before she arrived there. Newspapers normally do not fact check such announcements as births, deaths, and marriages, when they are provided by the parties involved.

We don’t know anything for sure about that, but there are written records photographed by the media which show that he was registered as Barry Soetoro, Muslim, and Indonesian citizen, when he attended school in Indonesia. And Indonesia at that time did not permit dual citizenship.

We DO know that Obama is a serial liar, who hides his past, constantly changes his story at his convenience, and therefore cannot simply be trusted to tell us the truth about himself. To take one instance, he has repeatedly said that he was “never” a Muslim—and that is an outright lie. He was born a Muslim, adopted as a Muslim, educated for several years as a Muslim, and attended services at a mosque. Perhaps he is not a Muslim now, but having lied about the basics, why should we believe him?

No, we don’t know if he was born in Hawaii or not. But his word is insufficient, because he is known to lie about such matters. We need documentary evidence.


40 posted on 10/12/2008 5:35:59 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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