Posted on 10/13/2008 11:41:15 AM PDT by jveritas
Neither one would even entertain the thought of voting for O'bomber...they're both going for McCain...I was absolutely shocked (but Pleased)......i never would have thought I'd see the day.
So, ignore the polls and what people are saying. When I look at websites that try to predict the electoral votes, well, . . . . If you go by land area, it’s mostly red. By electoral vote count, not so much. And yet they say they’re trying to be fair. Someone on the internet wouldn’t lie to me, would they? Why, that would be mean.
And I care about gold getting killed because?
I would not give up on PA either. NH looks good at this point.
Yes they have allowed one week this month of same day registration and voting in Ohio but only 5000 people voted. The Obama campaign expected 25,000 to 40,000 people to do so. This tell you that there is a lot of unrealistic hype about Obama so called ground game. They tried this ground game in Ohio during the primaries and they still lost by almost 10 points to Hillary Clinton.
Umm, did you see the story about ACORN ordering the absentee ballots for at least some of their newly registered “voters?”
It's hard for that to happen when the polls are more and more turning into artificial creations of the MSM and related organisations.
Always remember - look at the internals of a poll. If the polls says Obama is ahead by 8, but has a partisan breakdown of 29% R to 43% D, it's a bogus poll.
Uh huh.
You’ve really gotten off on the wrong foot, on several threads. Newbies should learn the players and the culture before getting snarky or cute. It’s like starting a new job or moving into a new neighborhood. You need to observe.
Of course we (Freepers) know that these are slanted polls. But do the undecided/swing voters? All they might read or hear are the main campaign headlines, including what the MSM states who is ahead in the polls.
My wife’s Gandma (94) stated this weekend that she would not vote for O’Bomber. The family is shocked as she has voted Democratic since the age of 21. 73 years as a Demo and she is not going to vote for the Demos this time.
My wife's great aunt, who is 89 and reflexively votes Dem because she's still voting for Roosevelt has told us she is not even voting this year, since she can't stand 0bama. Not as good as her voting for McWhatshisname-Palin, but at least she won't be contributing to 0bama's vote total in NC.
what you fail to factor in is that Bush had a fantastic ground game cared for by Rove. McCain doesn’t have such a vehicle to turn out the rural votes for him. The base is afraid of obama, but that doesn’t drive the masses to the polls. People need to vote for something not just against something. Many republicans will not vote acrosst he country.
But any two or Co, NV and IN and McCain is in trouble. I do not believe he will win IN. We have a very popular Rep Gov up for re-election and three landslide caliber Congressman, but the old Carson machine and the NW region near Chicago are known for great fraud operations, and of course if all the college kids that came to the free concerts and registered get up to vote for the Messiah it could get dicey. I have said if IN is not called by 6:30-7:00 then McCain is in trouble nationwide.
“I am engineer.”
That explains the fondness for numbers. And the missing “an.”
How does an economist get out of a deep pit? First, he assumes he has a ladder.
What did the engineer say to the supermodel in a red Ferrari? Can I look under the hood?
Same numbers game is true in PA.
Fauxbama cannot win this election, I know they are claiming these massive frauds, and believe me there has been massive fraud in voter registrations.. but the one thing that’s being overlooked by those thinking its going to be this huge gamechanger is this.
ACORN paid its registration folks by the form, not by the hour. What you had here was folks sitting around with their friends filling out forms out of phone books to make money, not so much deliberate fraud. Will there be some? Of course, but if you think those 200,000 registrations will amount to much, you’re crazy.
ACORN et al, do not have the resources or money to get people to every polling place to vote for preregistered bad names again and again and again.
Will some fraud happen? Of course, it always does, but the idea its going to be any worse this time than in the past is just not justified.
Fauxbama’s in trouble and has been from day one, I was honestly way more worried in 2004 than I am in 2008 regarding the election, and in 2004 I was fairly comfortable. Today the only time I get worried is when I come to places like this and see the doom and gloomers.
Listen to me folks, the only way Fauxbama wins, is if the Republican Base gets dejected and stays home, that’s it, there is NO WAY Fauxbama can win without this happening.. so PLEASE stop this nonsense.
McCain is winning the independents by a very good margin, and as long as the Republican base turns out, McCain wins, its really no more difficult to understand than that. Stop all this doom and gloom dejections.
English is not my forte :)
Come on Bradley effect.......
I'm not convinced that it makes that much difference, especially for people who would at least be inclined (if not necessarily convinced) to vote Republican. People like that, and of course people like us FReepers, tend to view voting as a civic duty and a privilege to be used, even if we know that we've not got a chance of winning. This is why I always vote in my US House race from NC for whoever the Republican is, even though I know there's little chance of unseating David Price. Similarly, most of the people I'm talking about are less likely to vote "for the bandwagon" than are the typical Democrat voter.
Your typical Democrat voter usually tends towards the left (lower) side of the IQ distribution, and also tends to view voting less as a civic duty and more as a direct means of advancing his or herself (the two are actually related, see Murray and Herrnstein's discussion of this in the Bell Curve). As a result, unless they're really scared and convinced that they're going to lose big, many Dem voters tend to figure "hey, we're winning anywise, so I'll go __fill in blank__ instead". Ironically, this constant MSM tub-thumping about 0bama's lead in the polls may work to depress turnout among the Dems' traditional lower-IQ constituencies.
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