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To: mlocher
You've got the cart before the horse. Culture drives what these guys can get away with. THEY have been degrading the culture for generations now. We are entering a new era now: The Clash of Cultures. Believe me this involves the OPPOSITE of giving up on our part. I honestly believe that McC is going to win, but if not, so be it.
51 posted on 10/22/2008 9:18:26 AM PDT by TalBlack
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To: TalBlack
You've got the cart before the horse. Culture drives what these guys can get away with.

I understand that culture drives what these guys can get away with. That is a good observation. Sadly, with an "enabling" culture, you end up in a downward spiral, which you are adeptly pointing out.

On a technical side, a culture is nothing more than the sum of the behaviours of its individuals. To change the culture,you need to change the behaviour of individuals. In some cases, that means applying the existing law. In other cases, it means writing new laws. Nonetheless, this disagreement we might be having is secondary. We both acknowledge that this is a class of cultures and that now is the time to step up our attack.

Thanks for replying and explaining yourself. I greatly appreciate your view -- and it will help me in future discussions with moderates!

53 posted on 10/22/2008 9:35:21 AM PDT by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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