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No more Bush I's. No more Doles. No Bush II's. No McCain's. Toward the Next Reagan/Thatcher?
quesney

Posted on 11/04/2008 10:23:01 PM PST by quesney

No. more. RINO's.

Whether it's Palin, Jindahl, Joe The Plumber or someone as yet unknown, we have to be focused on reforming the decrepit GOP.

We must find the next Reagan, because this country is going to need him or her and true conservatives will not tolerate another Bush-Dole-Mcain ever again. Ever.


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To: quesney

Palin, Jindal, Lt. Col. Alan West - The conservative future of the GOP.


41 posted on 11/04/2008 10:51:57 PM PST by Josh Painter (If the Constitution is a living document, why does the Left try to kill it? - JP)
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To: quesney

This was the election that determines the future of both the Republican Party and all of U.S. conservatism, and both Republicans and conservatives badly lost, thanks to a majority of both ignorant voters and stupid voters. When stupid voters and ignorant voters form a majority of voters throughout the U.S. and then illegal immigrants are also added as future voters to both of these groups for all future U.S. elections, then it’s really all over forever for this country, folks! All of the optimism really doesn’t cut it when reality keeps saying something else. People can attack my pessimism all they want to, but I’m still correct about all of these things. My ongoing depression about what has just happened on November 4 will be with me for the rest of my life, and I know too well about all of the “mess” that’s really coming this country’s way. So many people’s lives and so many businesses will be ruined for good for many years to come, and conservatism won’t ever successfully return to this country in my lifetime, if not forever. The left will always do all that they can do to make sure that conservatism never returns to the U.S., while the left also continues to screw up everything on every issue while getting away with it each and every time!


42 posted on 11/04/2008 10:53:34 PM PST by johnthebaptistmoore (There's nothing good to say about leftists in complete control of everything important.)
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To: kingu

such as who? many were interested in Eric Cantor but the problem with all congressmen (including Hunter) is that nobody has heard of them.


43 posted on 11/04/2008 10:58:52 PM PST by ari-freedom (Paint your finger purple on Tuesday!)
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To: pnh102

“First, we need to scrap the current primary system for the GOP. No blue state should have any say early on in the nominating process for the GOP.”

You have too much common sense. The Stupid Party will refuse to learn.


44 posted on 11/04/2008 11:00:04 PM PST by Pelham (Obama: Reconstruction version 2.0)
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To: Texas4ever
What happened to the PUMAS...was that a joke?

I think the PUMAs were about like the Paulistinians -- got lots of attention but really didn't have the numbers to be of any significance.

45 posted on 11/04/2008 11:01:29 PM PST by rhinohunter
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To: PhatHead

“Am I the only one who lived for the next issue of National Review, American Spectator, and (pre-internet) the Conservative Chronicle back in the day?”

Back before 1990 maybe. I found NR had become worthless around that time, and TAS as well.

“Fortunately for America, Bush did most of the right things on national security in response to 9/11.”

That’s true only if you leave out his glaring indifference to the border and his constant attempt to amnesty illegals. There’s no way of knowing how many terrorists have taken advantage of Bush’s terrible immigration policies to establish themselves here for the long haul.


46 posted on 11/04/2008 11:13:34 PM PST by Pelham (Obama: Reconstruction version 2.0)
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To: Josh Painter

Did West win his seat? Last I saw he was losing.


47 posted on 11/04/2008 11:41:31 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: rhinohunter

A lot of them were shamed in their own families for daring vote for a Republican... I fear in the end they relented or didn’t vote.


48 posted on 11/04/2008 11:43:13 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Pelham
Back before 1990 maybe. I found NR had become worthless around that time, and TAS as well.

So what did you read? Because I loved the Clinton articles in TAS (Troopergate, etc.) and Warren Brookes in the Chronicle - awesome. And NR was still Buckley-influenced back then.

That’s true only if you leave out his glaring indifference to the border and his constant attempt to amnesty illegals

Well, I did say "most of the right things," didn't I? Unfortunately, a Ronald Reagan is a once in a century kind of President. Bush was awful and I warned all who would listen in 2000 that he would wreck the party. Even so, a Gore or Kerry would have been far worse (obviously.) We always choose the lesser of two evils, no?

49 posted on 11/04/2008 11:49:24 PM PST by PhatHead
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To: quesney

btt


50 posted on 11/04/2008 11:51:26 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: GaryLee1990

You’re right, we had a Reagan and we showed him exactly what he was worth, one-percent. We thought going soft and presenting a lighter version of our beliefs would win the day. We were bad wrong and instead of drawing voters from the opposing side, some from both sides rejected us for our weakness. If we don’t believe what we believe then why would anyone else?

We treated the primaries just like it was some kind of popularity contest, an American Idol for the Leader of the Free World. So, no one should be surprised when the general Election became the same.

We had a candidate who could have gained a lot of support from those fed up with illegal immigration. McCain did not even bring it up nor could he. Hunter talked about jobs for Americans and keeping jobs from going overseas. He knew we couldn’t just follow blindly down the avenue of free trade and trade paper, but needed to actually produce something.

He would have put the rust belt in play and the broken glass conservatives would have showed up at the polls. He was very strongly anti-abortion and the Evangelicals that get occasional disdain on this site, would have won the election for him. Palin helped in that regard, but she was wrongly portrayed by the media as a dolt and inexperienced and the Sheeple bought it.

The identity politics have already started here and talk of diversity on the ticket. It appears nothing was learned. We shall see, if there is anything left to see. McCain-Feingold and immigration sure didn’t help McCain any. Of course it wasn’t all Mac’s fault, he did what he could against the media juggernaut. Still a candidate with more ammo should have been able to take this no one to school.


51 posted on 11/05/2008 12:07:34 AM PST by WildcatClan (The world is full of fatheads; so I invented Diet Shampoo)
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To: PhatHead

I learned a lot from Warren Brookes. We may be the only people here who remember him. It’s little surprise that he died in 1991, around the time NR was turned into a playpen for the unemployed brats of well connected Republicans. The great writers who had made the magazine so compelling either retired or were forced out.

Chronicles became my staple. I still subscribe to it, as well as the American Conservative.

“We always choose the lesser of two evils, no?”

There is one freeper with the tagline “Cthulhu, for when the lesser evil just isn’t enough”.


52 posted on 11/05/2008 12:09:58 AM PST by Pelham (Obama: Reconstruction version 2.0)
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To: Pelham
I learned a lot from Warren Brookes. We may be the only people here who remember him.

I used to clip a lot of his columns, and ran across a folder full of them a few weeks ago. There is nobody like him now.

Chronicles became my staple. I still subscribe to it

I dropped it once I found all the columnists online for free...

There is one freeper with the tagline “Cthulhu, for when the lesser evil just isn’t enough”.

Now there is something I could subscribe to! I have always believed that "the lesser of two evils is still evil." Not that the lesser is not still the morally correct choice, but let's not go overboard in thinking that the lesser of two evils is good.

Dark days ahead, I fear, but you never know what history will bring - and how we can shape it.

53 posted on 11/05/2008 12:21:00 AM PST by PhatHead
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To: PhatHead

“I used to clip a lot of his columns,”

I have his book “The Economy in Mind”, I’ll have to dig it out and savor it again.

There apparently was a collection of his writings published as “Unconventional Wisdoms”. I see it offered new at Amazon for a mere $148.00, or used for $1.99.

It’s a shame these two aren’t offered as eBooks now that they are out of print.


54 posted on 11/05/2008 12:27:09 AM PST by Pelham (Obama: Reconstruction version 2.0)
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To: Crimson Elephant
But even he couldn’t get rid of that witch Landrieu.

Landrieu is a skank doggess with weak voter appeal but a direct line to Castle Clinton. Slick holds her leash.

During "Katrina" emergency, Gov. Blankout, Landrieu's creature, was talking to Landrieu, and it is said Landrieu was talking to Carville. What else do we need to know about how the "Katrina" mess worked out? I suspect Landrieu let Blankout stink it up semi-on-purpose, in order to mess with FEMA and Bush for The Klintonx benefit. Blankout probably never even knew she was being played by Slick and Beast, IMHO. Not smart enough, out of her league in a citywide Tupperware party.

55 posted on 11/05/2008 1:02:29 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
Thompson could have done it if he was 15 years younger and in great health.

Well, let's get with Fred and his other half and start getting him in shape and in good enough health to run in 2012.

At the same time, let's send Sarah to England to sit at Baroness Thatcher's knee for a while, then go back to Alaska for a second term as Guv. Simultaneously with all the above, Condi needs to go home to Kallyfoahnyuh to understudy with the Governator as his successor. She needs some of the DoS sheen sanded off, for American domestic politics at the top.

BTW, Tim Pawlenty was interviewing for the 2012 slot tonight on ABC News ...... making tremendously RiNO'esque noises...... anyone know about him?

Oh, and if you believe the ABC and CBS Newsoids, it sounds like the RiNO wing of the GOP congressional caucus has been blown away ... they could meet in a corner booth .... wonder if the time is right for a total putsch against the RiNO's?

The Newsoids were fascinating over the regionalization of the GOP as a Southern party (their construction, de-emphasizing I think the input of the Midwest and Mountain States). Reading the text on the back of the lids of their mosaic-vision eyes, I think I read:

1. Regionalize GOP as Southern Party.

2. Demonize Southerners. (I heard a "Dukes of Hazzard sneer on PBS, talking about GOP voters in N.C. -- the ones who aren't Yankeefied Research Triangle DUmmies.)

3. Bork the GOP to death, leaving One Party, the Party of The One.

56 posted on 11/05/2008 1:11:45 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: quesney
with the Pubs its like the board of a big company.....they sit around all these middle aged or old men and exchange chairmenships....

sick of it....

I want fresh and invigorated....

although Fred or Rudy would have been fine with me.....

I respect John McCain but he didn't exactly give you that passion...

there are a lot of fine young Pubs out there....like Sarah, we have to give them their due and stop making them wait til their near 60 or 70.......

57 posted on 11/05/2008 2:34:56 AM PST by cherry
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To: Mad_as_heck

when you think about it, the elder Bush was a bit of a drag on he Reagan presidency ...


58 posted on 11/05/2008 2:37:13 AM PST by cherry
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To: cherry

The Elder Bush was no friend of the gipper when he got the nomination. This election was a lot like ‘76. Lots of might have beens. We need to make certain a Regan comes out of this Carter.


59 posted on 11/05/2008 2:40:23 AM PST by Mad_as_heck (The MSM - America's (domestic) public enemy #1.)
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To: Doug TX
do we have any Latino Pubs?......we need to grab the Latinos and make them part of our base.....socially conservative, mostly religious...mostly hard working....

Sarah needs to learn Spanish....

60 posted on 11/05/2008 2:45:49 AM PST by cherry
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