Posted on 11/06/2008 1:35:14 PM PST by Demosthenes
Forgive me for rehashing this if anybody is tired of reading it, but I finally did all of the research for myself, and have some info you may not have seen.
Barack Obama has never shown his birth certificate. Allow me to explain. A "certification" of live birth is a copy document, accessible by the public, or government agencies, and usually a relatively legally acceptable document in most scenarios. You can use it at the DMV, or to get a passport.
A "Certificate" of live birth is the actual document itself, created on the day/moment of the event, and it is a hospital-maintained record in most cases, accessible only by immediate family and the person for whom it was issued.
Here is what Barack Obama's website put out initially:
http://www.politifact.com/media/img/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
This image is a fraud, plain and simple. There is no state seal, no Registrar's signature, and only a vague June 2007 stamp on the reverse side. Both the signature and seal are easily visible in any photocopy, and are deliberately so. The artifacts surrounding the text are clear photoshop work. Giving Obama the benefit of the doubt, probably some overzealous aide generated it from a viewing of the regular document.
This is an image from Factcheck.org of what the website put out, excpet here we have an actual photograph, in high resolution, proving the website document a forgery. Notice, this document has the necessary seals and signatures:
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_6.jpg
This is, at least, a real document from the State Records office. It is still not an actual copy of the Certificate of Live Birth. The State seal and signature on this document certify to all viewers that this document was created by an actual State Agency, is not a forgery, and that the State of Hawaii accept it as a legal and valid document.
Remember, this is simply a legal substitute for the real birth certificate.
Both of these were offered up as "Birth Cretificates" when they are in fact legally-acceptable substitutes for the real thing. In most cases, this is not a big deal. However, in the case of a US President, I believe they are a VERY big deal.
An actual Certificate of Live Birth in Hawaii, through the 1960s, looks like this:
http://snarkybytes.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/hawaii-birth-certificate-1963.jpg
And the critical bit of information it discloses is the location of Birth.
They are very specific about that, and there are boxes for the location, be it hospital, home, foreign country or otherwise.
This is the document that has been sealed by the Governor of Hawaii in 2008, in a special action that affected only Obama's Birth Certificate.
How very convenient.
Why has special action bee taken to prevent this document from being seen?
Because, I suspect, there is information on it which would directly contradict public statements about his birth and begin unraveling a number of lies told to the public about his true origin, and raise serious questions about his eligibility.
His sister, and Grandmother in Kenya have both spoken publicly, and made statements about his locale of birth that contradict his own statements.
Why hide it, Mr. Obama?
What reason on earth would you have for asking the Governor of Hawaii to hide this document on your behalf?
IIRC the point is moot. Apparently the document was sealed as it was names as evidence in one of a dozen law suits from various states and a Freedom of information suit in HI.
As my depression of the election night wears off, my strength is renewing a little. This country has been through hard times before and the Constitution survived.
I think this is a fundamental issue for us. If we don’t find out if he is eligible and just let this go, the Republic is finished.
On this hill we shall make our stand.
You know what would be a real kick in the balls? Obama becomes President, screws the country up royally and than we find out that he shouldn’t have even been there in the first place! Imagine that. I would rather shake Berg’s hand than spit in it because I believe that Obama should not be anywhere near the Whitehouse, hell I would prefer Biden over him. I agree with you definitely, and I am on your side. Even if he is inaugurated there should be people looking into this.
I am very stubborn and also very curious as to all of this moreso than most. Call me a nut, I don’t care. I would rather read this more important story than gossip mongerers on Sarah Palin or any new trivial news about Obama. McCain showed his documents, even on Jan. 21st if Obama doesn’t do what McCain did or show conclusionary info I will not call him my President. I wonder what the crime is of impersonating one? Perhaps I should call him the Illegal President, like the Democrats did with President Bush.
Perhaps the electoral voters on Dec. 13 will raise such a stink and the ones who will not will commit electoral voter fraud so that their votes will not get counted by voting for either the wrong person or showing no education about Obama himself. This election, to me isn’t over, at first I was very frustrated and than my mind drifted back to the electors and the Berg lawsuit(which is more than just a birth certificate with a spotty past, a jet setting mother and a very incoherent timeline). I thank you and the author of the original post for keeping the idea that a guy who preys on voter’s gullibility, like a con man, will never see the Oval Office. And that illegal associations, voter fraud, and illegal donations will not win this year.
So he may stonewall. I say show up at every event he has demanding his oath of allegiance, his certificate, his legibility, demand it. This isn’t the Rose Law Firm deal or Kerry’s Form 180, this is actually for fulfilling somebody’s constitutional requirement for President and Obama might as well not be.
You have to ask yourself why he refuses to show his birth certificate. What could possibly be so terrible? Does he have one? Or, is that why there is such a push with recounts and all to come up with 60 senate seats? Obviously, if not for being the media darling, unlimited funds and rampant fraud, he wouldnt be where he is. We need to resolve this issue.
No, we are following the law of the land. It is the usurper-elect who is not.
It was reported that he said there was something embarrassing in it......We all know his mother was underage and not married when he was conceived (possibly statutory rape)....What could be more embarrassing?
U.S. Constitution, Amendment 20, Section 3:
Section 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.
“No state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawaii,” Fukino added.
Should be that lying cryto marxist bastid HUSSEIN OBAMA!!!!
Fascinating! I did not realize that you could record a foreign birth. He was born in Kenya!
Perhaps Lingo sealed the document when she heard he was coming to Hawaii - just to protect it.
This is definitely worth pursuing!
The discussion the other evening said there were two types of documents that could produce a "Birth Certificate" One was a Certificate of live birth in a hospital, signed by the attending DR or a live birth attended by a mid=wife. The second type was a registry of birth. A child could be born on one of the islands without medical verification or even in another country and the parent then registered that the child had been born. Both can produce a "birth certificate" What is at issue is the source upon which the certificate was produced. Was it a registry of birth or certificate of live birth.
Fukimo may have seen the typed birth certificate, but he does not state he has seen the hand written certificate of live birth. They are two different items. Ed Hale says he has inside source that say it is a registry of birth....dated several days after Jr was born.
I have read that you could have a foreign BC registered in Hawaii. It may be that he does have one in HI but it's from Kenya.
As another poster pointed out Obama is NOT YET the President Elect per Amendment 20, Section 3. He does not ‘officially’ become the President Elect until January 6th, when the ‘electors’ present their nomination to Congress, upon which Congress affirms.
Right now all he has is a number of ‘electors’ getting ready to vote on December 15th.
The ‘media’ refers to him as the President-Elect, but in reality that’s false because the Electoral college has not yet met.
My understanding is that if you are born in a foreign country to an American parent, you have dual citizenship. This would answer a BC in Hawaii, but as I understand, it would list the country born in. Something stinks here.
Could be this is why he wants the 60 seat senate. Could amend the constitution and nothing could be done about it.
Yep. But for all intents and purposes he is the one elected. Our Founders were more careful in their speech but we have gotten lazy. Also I think there is such a big time lapse in between events because travel used to be much slower.
His mother would have to be 19. She was only 18. If born in Kenya, he wouldn't qualify for dual citizenship. However he did admit Kenyan citizenship through his father.
Any amendments or ratifications to the constitution must be approved by a 2/3 state majority -- congress alone can't do it.
This is our one ace in the hole that we still have with this obomination: states. Thank God for our Founding Fathers writing this in. He would never get 2/3.
“Suppose Obama is found not to be eligible to hold the office of President. Does that automatically make Joe Biden President?”
Joe Biden and Sarah Palin were not on our ballots in AZ. I specifically looked for this very reason. Only the POTUS candidates were listed, NOT VPs. That’s a good thing. Not sure about other states.
Yes, they do, see post #149
“If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified” ...
This says that the Vice President Elect will act as President until a new President qualifies.
Going back to the preceding election, if Obama was disqualified, then his electors are null and void. Therefore, the next qualified member in the presidential pool is McCain. He has 538 electors pledged to him. They would probably be seated and would presumably vote for him.
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