Posted on 11/07/2008 8:16:05 PM PST by Smokeyblue
Much of what you askhas been addressed (but not necessarily answered) on the monster thread...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2040486/posts?page=6242#6242
It’s best to work backwards until you get a feel for what’s current.
I keep praying the MSM will fail and be taken over by reasonable, honest journalists who are unbiased. It can happen! I haven’t given up. God will deal with Osamabama in his own way. I have a feeling America is getting a real wake up call.
On Dec. 1 SCOTUS will either accept or reject Berg's appeal. If they reject it, they will be agreeing he has no standing to bring this suit. If they accept it & rule against him, same result. If they accept it & rule in his favor (that he does have standing) they will remand the case back to the PA court, which will then proceed with discovery of facts (perhaps ordering Hussein to produce the original certificate). That's my layman's understanding, based on the best-informed arguments I have read.
I doubt it will ever get back to the PA court, & I doubt they would order him to produce the original. Judge Surrick would not want to become famous for triggering national rioting.
SCOTUS should take the case, just to resolve the question of who exactly is responsible for proving an individual is Constitutionally eligible to be a Presidential candidate.
Hussein's rise from nowhere to the Presidency, raising & spending $600 million to get elected, is a surreal horror movie.
I believe he fails to meet the Constitutional natural-born citizen requirement, since under 1961 law, his mother (Stanley Ann Durham) was not herself a US citizen for a long enough time for zer0 to be eligible.
I suspect the truth is much uglier, but have no proof.
Forgery? The Certificate of Live Birth (CoLB) image he posted to his Web site has been proven (to my satisfaction) to be a PhotoShop forgery. The Governor of Hawaii (Lingle) has ordered his original cert. to be sealed; a good move. I doubt any of us mere civilian peasants will ever know the truth. Even if any part of the US legal system manages to disgorge it, it will be too little, too late. The Enemedia will never cover the story; it will be dismissed as more loony wingnut Intarwebs garbage; larger events will have swamped it completely.
Go to:
www.obamacrimes.com
Read the Petition For Writ of Certiorari - Berg spells everything out, including his allegations of judicial error.
There is something so big, so huge and powerful propelling Obama. Something actually bigger than he and most likely he will soon regret being President almost as much as we are going to.
To The DISHONORABLE R. Barclay Surrick:
At the end of your ruling you state: By contrast, Plaintiff would have us derail the democratic process by invalidating a candidate for whom millions of people voted and who underwent excessive vetting during what was one of the most hotIy contested presidential primary in living memory.
I don’t recall any evidence presented to the court about excessive vetting of Obama. As a matter of fact, that was part of the suit against the DNC - produce any materials as a result of any vetting they did. Did the DNC produce anything to you without showing it to the opposing side ? If they did and you didn’t inform the other side, isn’t that judicial error ( to put it kindly ) ? If they didn’t produce anything , please tell me your justification for the statement who underwent excessive vetting
“That is the press release he has up there. Not the actual Writ of Certiorari filed.”
This is VERY strange ...
I can’t find the Writ on his site anymore. But I previously downloaded it. It is 40 pages long.
If you send me your e-mail address on FR Mail, I will send to you via regular e-mail.
They should care, and it’s more than about a birth certificate, it’s about qualifications for presidency and it’s about our constitution.
The MSM can twist it and turn it, but most people will wonder why he won’t show it. Maybe they’ll dismiss it shortly after reading it, who knows. But, I’m glad someone is bringing this to the public’s attention because the majority of them have not heard about this at all. They only know what the MSM tells them.
We either have a constitutional government or we do not.
Tell me, what would your “line in the sand” be?
We either have a constitutional government or we do not.
Tell me, what would your “line in the sand” be?
We either have a constitutional government or we do not.
Tell me, what would your “line in the sand” be?
Hi Smoky, welcome here. I’m new too. Maybe we can help each other. Mail me if you have any questions. I haven’t been able to find a FAQ for new members kinda thing, but there have been two kind souls that have helped me with questions that I had.
That’s right. The folks who are trying to get this ad to run next Monday in USA TODAY are needing money for it. Cost is $90,000 and so far, last time I checked, they had $6100 or so. If we all chip in $10 we can get this to run. If we can’t come up with 90 grand then we can kiss it goodbye.
First of all, back in 1961 Hawaii, EVERY COUPLE would have been listed as Mr. and Mrs. regardless of their actual marital status when their child was born.
Secondly, there is NOTHING in these birth announcement that indicates WHERE a child was born. This fact alone should squash any hasty conclusion that Obama was "likely" born in Hawaii. Not only is Obama likely to have been born in Kenya, he is more likely to have been born there than Hawaii.
Barack could have been born anywhere in the world, and when his mom turned over the original birth certificate from an out-of-state location (whether it was Kansas or Kenya) in order to get a Hawaiian Certificate of Birth for Obama, the Health Department recorded the date that was on that foreign certificate, which BTW, was never, ever validated to be genuine and accurate. They DID NOT perform any kind of verification process for out-of-state certificates exchanged for Hawaiian ones and naturally assumed that the original birth certificates were genuine.
In other words, Obama easily could have been born on a different date in a different country, and the information that was on a foreign birth certificate does not have to reflect reality.
If Obama was born in Kenya, then the probability of the date on the Kenyan BC being inaccurate is as likely than it being accurate, given that the vast majority of births in Kenya did not occur in hospitals. Even if Obama was born in the best hospital in Kenya, getting local officials to fudge the data was simply a matter of waving around some American dollars.
Again, keep in mind that Health Department had no way of authenticating an original birth certificate from a foreign country. Whatever was on the foreign BC is what was put on the Hawaiian BC.
Bottom line: the ads are totally meaningless as far as proving that Obama was born in Hawaii and the probability of getting a bogus BC made, in 1961, and in a country like Kenya, was high.
Except USAToday and they'll print anything for a buck.
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