Posted on 11/28/2008 2:26:18 PM PST by nuconvert
US spies killed in terrorist raid
NEW DELHI: Even though the Indian government has refrained from dragging Islamabad directly into the Mumbai terror attacks, insinuations suggest that diplomatic relations between the two countries may suffer in the aftermath of the attacks.
It is believed that the terrorists identified and then killed two senior US intelligence officers staying at the Taj Mahal Hotel.
Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, in his address to the nation, pricked Pakistan thrice without naming it. The security agencies in New Delhi told reporters they suspected the role of Al Qaeda in the attacks. The agencies believed their suspicion arose from the way the terrorists captured Taj hotel and successfully identified two senior US intelligence officials by checking the passports of the foreigners who were staying there, sources said
“Well, 25 CIA station chiefs have QUIT rather than name names after 1/20/2009.”
Actually, that is about 25 who retired, not quit. That is not excessively higher than any other given year, considering that being a Station Chief often comes toward the end of a career. Also, considering the kind of income a retired Station Chief can make in the private sector, how much a government employees annuity drops after 20 years, and the coming of a new administration, this is not at all surprising. There is nothing suspicious about these numbers.
Erinys guys?
Mumbai attack: British men ‘among the terrorists’
Big surprise !!!
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One would think that these folks would have identification that would not incriminate them.
Need to watch James Bond...
The left has been working on these plans for years. We are now seeing only the public manifestation of conspiracy. The American right is clueless as to the scope and penetration.
The guy with the Blackberry?
MSM speak. If it has wings and is military, its a fighter plane. If it has treads its a tank. If it floats and has a gun its a battleship. AND if anyone is associated with an intelligence agency, they are a spie.
Thanks, good point. Still, if they are under "official" cover, they may carry some kind of government ID, or access badge, or whatever. If they weren't under official cover, they may have simply been scooped up with the rest. Since they were evidently killing Americans as they found them, killing two Americans with government ID would be icing on the cake. They wouldn't necessarily know who they were or care.
I would be curious to know if the terrs did know, though, who they were from the beginning, and were in fact looking for them; that would imply ISI help with the planning.
But it may have been luck of the draw; if you attack the ritziest hotel in town, you can expect to get some big shots. Something like this was planned for a long time. It wouldn't have been contingent on those guys being there unless they regularly were there. And if that were the case, you wouldn't need an op this big just to get those two guys.
“But it may have been luck of the draw”
If in fact they were intelligence officers then it is likely just the luck of the draw. American Govt officials rarely follow the same routine every day so as to avoid being targeted. I also find it odd that anyone would know they were intelligence officers as opposed to just American diplomats. Not even our own government would out them after their death and since only two Americans (a father and daughter) have been ID’d has having been killed I think this story is likely false.
Cgal. I agree this nation is not the one our forefathers created and our ancestors fought for it has allowed the perverted systems of tyranny to take over the minds of a hundred million people at least. Hell, tens of millions don’t give enough of a shiite to even vote. It has been seduced by materialism and is oblivious to the real depth of misery and suffering which the majority of the world faces every day. It has been bought off by pleasure and will fall to a disciplined and ascetic fanatic religion unless major changes in the psychic of the entire nation.
This attack demonstrates the continuing ability to divide al Queda’s enemies and its true depth is generally unrecognized. The targets here were multiple and as much directed AT Pakistan as anything.
If Indian-Pakistani relations become sufficently conflicted the pressure on al-Queda in the NW Territories (terrorism’s homeland) is reduced. Pakistan has suffered ten times the number of terrorist attacks as has India, it should be recalled.
Any weakening of Pakistan decreases the pressure on al Queda and makes waging the War on Terror in Afganistan that much harder. This attack was an attack on our war effort in its second aspect.
In a third aspect it attacked India in its financial heart.
It was as brilliantly conceived as 911. Dividing al Queda’s enemies, causing billions of dollars in loses and dominating the world stage for days. Recall the decision to use Saudis in 911 did enormous damage to relations between two longstanding allies.
While I agree with much of your statement, I do want to remind all that the 19 hijackers had Saudi passports, but at that time, it was possible to go through SA, and get a ‘visa’ for student purposes. I believe that at least some of the hijackers were from elsewhere.
It’s like the ‘musicians’ incident that caused people to walk of an airplane rather than fly with ME types in a bunch. Where exactly they were from and what they were remains dubious. It took a relentless blogger to bring it to the fore and get it into wide discussion.
I don’t even want to go into John Doe #2.
So, here, the origin and connections of the Mumbai terrorists is something for us to pay attention to. Not the cover story, but what’s between the lines.
Spot on, Ap Lex
The guy with the Blackberry?
If that was meant to be amusing, please keep your day job. National Security is a very serious matter and for someones identity to be given away immediately after the fact is highly questionable.
It was not meant to be amusing in the least. If you do not know to whom I was referring than the reference was lost.
See post #37.
This story is pure BS
When Pakistan’s Marriott exploded early this fall, Indian papers claimed terrorists killed CIA agents staying there :
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/india-news/senior-cia-officers-were-target-of-islamabad-blast_10097943.html
Now that India has been bombed, Pakistani papers claim CIA agents were killed while staying at Taj Mahal hotel.
PROPAGANDA WAR, FOLKS.
NOTHING HERE.
MOVE ON.
Strangely, here is the entire article, “that was not” published in the Daily Times.
US spies killed in serial attacks, experts
begin to debate nuke security
By Iftikhar Gilani
NEW DELHI: Though Indian government has refrained to drag Islamabad directly into the Mumbai terror attacks, insinuations suggest that fresh strains on the diplomatic relations between the two countries are on cards once again. It is believed that terrorists have identified and then killed two senior American intelligence officers who were staying at the posh Taj Palace Hotel on the shores of the Arabian Sea.
Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh in his address to the nation pricked Pakistan thrice without naming it. The security agencies here told newsmen that they suspected the role of al Qaeda, the international terrorist network of Osama bin Laden, and Pakistan military intelligence agency, Inter-State Intelligence (ISI).
They believed that their suspicion arose from the way the terrorists captured Taj Hotel and successfully identified two senior American intelligence officials by checking passports of the foreigners who were staying there, sources said.
Both the officials were among eight foreigners gunned down and the White House has expressed concern over their assassination, wondering how their presence in Mumbai could be known to the terrorists.
Al Qaeda is known for mounting this kind of suicidal attacks and hence Washington has asked for probing its suicidal squads’ role, particularly since reports suggest the culprits were specifically looking for the two American officials.
Intelligence officials here said that only ISI could have known their identity and movements and hence they say it may have passed on the information to the terrorists who came looking for them in the hotel. They said this suspicion got more credence from interrogation of the captured terrorists revealing that they were Pakistani nationals and sneaked into Mumbai using speed boats.
Notwithstanding Union Home Minister Shivraj Patil saying there was no intelligence whatsoever about the dastardly attack in Mumbai, the Intelligence Bureau (IB) sources claimed the warning about a possible entry of terrorists into India’s financial capital through the sea route was made six months ago.
“This intelligence was available six months ago and subsequently a barge was found by the locals on Shrivardhan coast in Raigad district four months back,” says a top IB official who did not wish to be identified. Locals had feared the barge might have ferried explosives, though nothing was found when the Naval and customs personnel inspected it.
All the same, the Maharashtra Government and the Coast Guards were alerted to keep an eye on terrorists sneaking into Mumbai or any nearby coast or using the coast to smuggle in weapons and ammunition, the official said. He said similar alerts were also issued to the state governments of Gujarat, Goa and Karnataka to secure their coasts from any suspicious activity.
Following the Mumbai attacks touted as highly precise in planning and execution, experts here are also now debating at the safety of nuclear arsenal in South Asia. It was a matter of chance that these terrorists chose to attack five-star hotels than the nuclear facility at Trombay, few kilometers away.
Former sleuth B. Raman in his daily column here writes that his mind boggles to think and figure out how the terrorists could have planned and carried out terrorist strikes of such magnitude, territorial spread and ferocity without our intelligence and police having been able to get scent of it. He said India has become now as clueless as Pakistan in fighting terrorism. “Till now, we were greeting with glee Pakistan’s incompetence in dealing with terrorism. We can no longer do so. We have become as clueless as Pakistan,” he added.
Meanwhile, Indian Coast Guards have found the ship MV Alpha, suspected to have carried the perpetrators around 112 km away from Mumbai in high seas. The Coast Guard had launched two aircraft, choppers and its vessels after receiving information that the ship could have carried the terrorists from Gujarat to Mumbai.
source: http://whatreallyhappened.com/content/2-us-spies-killed-intaj-hotel
Here is a reason as to why the article was so heavily censored.
Presumed guilty, secretly
Excerpt - 14 July 2005 - When Iftikhar Gilani speaks of those who conspired to put him behind bars for no good reason, his voice does not betray any anger. Instead, the mild-mannered journalist lets facts do the talking, a reportage style mirrored in his recently released book My Days in Prison. The 148-page book is a searing account of the failure of the agencies whose job it is to uphold Indian democracy. Indeed, the slim volume narrates a terrifying tale of how, in a country where the freedom of speech and expression is guaranteed, authorities have the power to upturn lives in the matter of a day without an iota of evidence - as they did to Gilani.
In June 2002, Gilani was arrested under the Official Secrets Act (OSA) for possessing a paper published by the Institute of Strategic Studies, Islamabad, detailing among other things, the deployment of Indian troops in Indian-held Kashmir. The document was anything but classified: it was available on the Internet, and moreover, as it had originated in Pakistan, it clearly didn’t qualify as an ‘official secret’ of the Indian government. Yet, evidence was fabricated - Intelligence Bureau officials altered the words ‘Indian-held Kashmir’ in the document to ‘Jammu and Kashmir’ to suggest it was an Indian document - to make a false case against the journalist. He was detained in Tihar jail till January 2003, when the government withdrew the case against him.
source: http://www.indiatogether.org/2005/jul/rvw-gilani.htm
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