Posted on 12/03/2008 8:14:35 AM PST by Scythian
First off this is NOT a criminal case, or at least not yet, and as a civil case the rules of discovery are different, Obama must provide his proof that he was born in Hawaii or the case will be decided against him because he refused to provide the proof that he was born in this country.
Always remember that.
This is the garbage that Donofrio is trying to sell the Supreme Court? Does he realize how offensive it would be to rule that a child born on American soil to an American parent isn't really an American?
There's something of a tradition in this country that children born on American soil to American parents are American citizens and entitled to all the privileges that citizenship offers. Is he really trying to argue that any child born to parents where one is American and the other is foreign is some kind of "half" citizen who can never run for President?
That's bunk and everyone knows it.
You are very welcome
YOU ARE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.
Actually no it doesn't. That's like saying the Constitution says there is a separation of Church and State.
The Constitution says "No person...shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"
Procedures in our legal system, other civilized nation's legal systems, and case history have given us the phrase "innocent until proven guilty", and thus "due process". That is only in the court room itself however.
In many cases, and in certain points along individual case's timeline however the "due process" does not hold to the "innocent until proven guilty". For example at point of arrest a suspect is guilty unless immediately proven innocent. It is up to the suspect at that time, and any time pre-trial, to show his innocence. It is not until the trial itself in front of a jury that a suspect is innocent until proven guilty because at trial it is up to the prosecution to prove guilt.
We like to throw around "innocent until proven guilty" but in reality that is not the case, and it's not stated in the Constitution either.
So - we just ignore our Constitution. Right, got it.
Anne Durham was a Natural Born American. Barack Obama is therefore a Natural Born American regardless of where he was born or what the citizenship status of his father was.
This 1790 definition has been revised, written to close loopholes, and clarified several times in the last 218 years, but looking at each revision it is clear:
If a child is born to a Natural Born American, there is no doubt that the child is a Natural Born American.
LOL, I’m sure they could tell you. On the point, I agree. It does seem that there is a vested federal interest as well though. I believe there should also be a federal level certification process so that this type of situation does not arise.
Then I presume the SCOTUS will have no problem at all ruling that O is indeed a “natural born citizen”. Good, let’s put it to rest.
Recently my wife had to provide documentation to renew her California Driver’s license due to a name change (using her middle name versus her first name). This was due to Homeland Security edicts since 9/11.
She had to go to Social Security and provide her BC copy and passport copies to get the name on her SS to match the name she has gone with for 4 decades.
After SS did its job, the DMV did its thing.
At no time did Ca DMV, SS or Homeland Defence have to prove anything, she did to get a renewal on her driver’s license.
That’s a Certification of Live Birth, not a Certificate of Live Birth.
Big difference.
The Certificate of Live Birth includes the dated name and signature of the doctor, nurse, or midwife who presided at the birth.
A Certification of Live Birth can be printed even for those who were not born in Hawai’i.
All those MSM reporters opening up garbage bins in Wasilla AK, one of them could have gotten the Pultizer spending a few days in Hawaii.
It’s a Constitutional requirement. They’d have to amend the Constitution and, boy, would that be fun!
Clinton aleady set the precedent with his retroactive tax increases
But sadly they were not on the McCain/Palin payroll...errrr...I mean bandwagon!
Like many of you, I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately. Let me toss this out in the ring for everyone to think about.
I know a young woman who grew up with no father. Her mother had told her that daddy was dead. Eventually though, she found out that mommy was a liar who just didn’t want to let daddy back into her life.
What if Obama had been told all his life that he had been born in Hawaii. He even has a “Certificate of Live Birth” to prove it. Then he decides to run for President and someone suggests he might not have been born on American soil. At first he would ignore such a claim but if it persisted he would show his COLB. Then someone picked it apart and he had to go to Plan B which entailed paying a lot of lawyers a bunch of money to keep the records closed because some of those claims just might force the issue.
All this time though he thinks he really is a ‘natural born citizen’ but those low-life Republicans are gunning for him because he’s black.
Now, his maternal grandmother is dying so he goes to Hawaii to see her. While there he makes a few calls to State offices and finds that he really wasn’t born in the USA.
Now what does he do? He has two options— both bad. He can confess to the world that he cannot be President which is guaranteed to cause all sorts of civil turmoil, including riots or he can suck it up and try to bluff his way into the oval office. If he can succeed in usurping the Presidency he can run out the clock on all the cases that have been filed to challenge his citizenship.
It has been noted and commented on that he seems to have aged since the election... that he has developed a nervous tic in his face and now he’s choosing cabinet members from the Clinton administration.
I think he now finds himself on a very scary ride with no easy way to get off. I don’t like him but I certainly don’t envy him either.
What kind of original birth certificate do you think he has under seal in Hawaii?
1. One that says he was born in Hawaii? Great, he is still not a “natural born” citizen per the Constitution because his father was Kenyan and a British subject at the time of Obama’s birth. Obama is a citizen, but not a “natural born” citizen.
2. One that says he was born in Kenya? Then he is still not a “natural born” citizen because he was’t born on US soil.
So what kind of original birth certificate do you think he has that would show he is a “natural born” citizen? And why didn’t he show it months ago???
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That’s a Certification of Live Birth, not a Certificate of Live Birth.
Big difference.
The Certificate of Live Birth includes the dated name and signature of the doctor, nurse, or midwife who presided at the birth.
A Certification of Live Birth can be printed even for those who were not born in Hawai’i.
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Thanks savedbygrace...I am fully immersed into this and well aware of what’s what - I was just posting an image someone asked for - although I posted the wrong one :) I re-posted the one they were asking for later in the thread.
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