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Posted on 12/03/2008 8:59:31 AM PST by Publius804
An Ugly Attack on Mormons
The easiest targets for an organized campaign against religious freedom of conscience.
By Jonah Goldberg
Did you catch the political ad in which two Jews ring the doorbell of a nice working-class family? They barge in and rifle through the wife’s purse and then the man’s wallet for any cash. Cackling, they smash the daughter’s piggy bank and pinch every penny. “We need it for the Wall Street bailout!” they exclaim.
No? Maybe you saw the one with the two swarthy Muslims who knock on the door of a nice Jewish family and then blow themselves up?
No? Well, then surely you saw the TV ad in which two smarmy Mormon missionaries knock on the door of an attractive lesbian couple. “Hi, we’re from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints!” says the blond one with a toothy smile. “We’re here to take away your rights.” The Mormon zealots yank the couple’s wedding rings from their fingers and then tear up their marriage license.
As the thugs leave, one says to the other, “That was too easy.” His smirking comrade replies, “Yeah, what should we ban next?” The voice-over implores viewers: “Say no to a church taking over your government.”
Obviously, the first two ads are fictional because no one would dare run such anti-Semitic or anti-Muslim attacks.
The third ad, however, was real. It was broadcast throughout California on Election Day as part of the effort to rally opposition to Proposition 8, the initiative that successfully repealed the right to same-sex marriage in the state.
What was the reaction to the ad? Widespread condemnation? Scorn? Rebuke? Tepid criticism?
Nope.
The Los Angeles Times, a principled opponent of Proposition 8, ran an editorial lamenting that the “hard-hitting commercial” was too little, too late.
(Excerpt) Read more at article.nationalreview.com ...
There is only One who’s pleasure I care about, it is not your’s nor mine.
As far as how one appears on the pages of FR, it is really only what is in the heart that matters and not the “appearance of civility”.
Now, God doesn’t want people to pervert his word, nor is he pleased by nambly-pambly “civil” discussions. Jesus said:
Mat 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Mat 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
God has equipped His followers with gifts. You might not like the particular way that Greyfoxx, I or others have been gifted, you might deem it as “offensive” to your man-made religion. As I said, it is not my concern what you think of me. God uses me, and He uses truth. If that makes you uncomfortable, I suggest you check yourself, pray about it.
Every religion has its heresies when they stray from God’s word. There are heretical Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants...
I’ve told you here that I have NO problem with Mormons. I know that what you say is true. We do work together on important things. But your beliefs are NOT the same as ours and to say they are is not true. I’m going to heaven when I die. It won’t matter if I have a husband or not. I’m going on my own beliefs in the Lord Jesus Christ as my Saviour. My husband isn’t going to a planet to have spirit-wives and children. There are too many crazy things like that which separate us, I’m sad to say.
Name calling is a form of persecution? Really?
Then you are the pansy that I thought you were.
Don’t you remember what you learned in Kindergarten? Sticks and stone may break my bones but name will never hurt me.
I’ve said it a thousand times, I have no problem with Mormons. They are lovely people. But they have beliefs that are NOT mainstream Christian but they say they are. They have a lot of beliefs that are really crazy, especially when it comes to women, spirit wives,spirit children, etc., etc. There are others here who are far more educated about Mormonism and Christianity than I am, but I do know that they feel we are apostates and will not enter the kingdom of heaven as they will, with all their spirit wives and babies. Read up on it.
Well, my Mormon (and also BYU) college friends & relatives were likewise intentional in focusing on character. But I think we miss some underlying aspects here.
Let's say any of us planned to run for President in 2016 or 2020 or 2024. Would not we be quite intentional in putting forth our best character over the next 8,12, 16 years -- lest our character flaws be our undoing re: our ultimate political plans?
So, roughly 20% of LDS are temple-recommended...some higher in certain locations; some lower in others. For these folks, their ultimate socio-spiritual-political plan is for one day they will become (upon death) Gov. God -- of their own planet/star. Don't you think, like any of us who might have presidential aspirations, that aspiring presidents and aspiring gods would want to put on our best outward face -- lest we be disqualified from godhood?
While we dare not lump every Mormon together -- for all are unique & are individuals -- and even most of 80% of their rosters are NOT even temple-recommended (& therefore not even "eligible" for the ultimate "celestial kingdom" eternal life insurance plan)...we need to understand that a good number of LDS do have ultimate divine aspirations. Among any given Mormon, we don't know all or even most of their inner motivations...but we do know that the motivation of godhood exists for some...and that motivation mirrors the original aspiration of one who said long ago, "I will be like the Most High" (Isaiah 14:14)...little do many of them realize that these words of pride were uttered by Lucifer.
I like the Mormons, too, Diehard. I just don’t agree with their beliefs as being ‘Christian.’
Perhaps Ezekiel 37:16-21 would be an interesting read for you:
16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
18 ¶ And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
20 ¶ And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
Now, most would accept the stick of Judah to be the Bible. Where's the stick of Ephraim?
The Lord also said in John 10:16
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Who were those other sheep? Just food for thought.
Mt question wasn’t whether the Protestants had heretics in their midst. My question was whether the Protestant religions were heretic as the Catholics stated.
What do you do, then, Reno, with Book of Mormon passages like 1 Nephi 14:10 that says there's only two churches -- and one of them is the Church of Satan? Since we know you don't consider the LDS church to be that, then how do you get around the fact that Mormons who adhere to a literal interpretation of 1 Nephi 14:10 in fact believe that every non-Mormon church branch was rooted in Satan.
Also, here you "tag" GF with an accusation of calling your church "satanic" -- but nowhere have I seen you rebuke the LDS "prophet" John Taylor for saying the following: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167)
Why is it so "negative" of us to mention what your spiritual forefathers have believed and expressed when those same spiritual forefathers were even more extremely negative about our spiritual forefathers?
“I’ve said it a thousand times, I have no problem with Mormons. They are lovely people. But they have beliefs that are NOT mainstream Christian but they say they are. They have a lot of beliefs that are really crazy, especially when it comes to women, spirit wives,spirit children, etc., etc. There are others here who are far more educated about Mormonism and Christianity than I am, but I do know that they feel we are apostates and will not enter the kingdom of heaven as they will, with all their spirit wives and babies. Read up on it.”
That’s all very nice and well, but here is your statement that I questioned,
““P.S., do you know how Mormons feel about traditional Christians? Not nice.””
All I asked was an example of your claim. Didn’t give us any proof,did ya? And now you claim Mormons are nice people.....so why don’t you all go find some group that really IS a problem instead of the Mormon bashing. It’s none of your business what they believe. Are they forcing it on YOU? Doesn’t say much for your religion that you are so willing to bear false witness, does it?
Apparently so...
(Is that "reality" talking, DU? If only God has a "realistic" appraisal, then perhaps, just perhaps, the free counsel you just gave MS wasn't based upon "reality"...because according to your own doctrine you just preached, you also are in no position to tell MS what "reality" is, for you are not God...If reality is so relative, why would MS even bother to consider your inherent unrealistic perspective?)
“Read up on it.”
BTW, bearing false witness is in the 10 commandments....part of your religion, no?
Read up on it....
That's my opinion, but I would never go on another thread and tell someone who didn't believe Jesus was his savior that he was not a "Christian".
My post was regarding that.
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