“This is a situation I don’t understand. WHO would we be defending from? Think about after Katrina and New Orleans. The deputies came and took the guns, whether they were registered or not (some got some nice weapons out of that deal as I’m sure the original owners didn’t get them back).
If a deputy came to your house, and you refused to turn over your weapon, if he didn’t kill you, he would call a SWAT team. If they didn’t kill you (unlikely), they would turn it over to the next level of defense (federal probably), who would bump it up and up until you had the tanks, etc. in your front yard.
Could you shoot a deputy (possibly a friend or neighbor) who came to take your gun? I couldn’t. Same thing all the way up the ladder. We would be shooting at friends and neighbors, and the federal government has far more fire power than we do.
I’m not trying to be a smart(alec), but I really don’t understand this.”
I see it happening in several different ways:
1. They come to a person’s house to take away their weapons after they’ve passed a law against gun ownership. Person refused to turn over weapons, if they leave the person would expect them to come back with backup forces. Person now packs up and leaves, or stay and fight. People resisting in this manner would start making the news. More would start resisting.
2. They order people to re-education camps. People refuse knowing that those that fail or cause trouble at the camps will be taken somewhere and executed. So people would refuse to go and decide to make a stand when the Gestopo came for them. Or they would leave and live off the land until the time arrives to make a stand.
3. Some event triggers a large protest to happen by patriots and government forces fire into the unarmed crowds. If the government forces refuse to fire into the protesters the government would collapse and we’d set up a constitutional government. In the event troops fired on the crowds, the next protests would be attended by armed patriots. At this stage we have a revolution on our hands.
4. Patriots start moving into areas of the country where there are large groups of conservatives. At some point the group of states seceed from the union and create a new constituional republic using our same US Constitution.
Just a note, if the left can ignore the US Constitutution can’t patriots also ignore it and refuse to pay taxes because we think it is outdated and old and silly?
The reason the left ignores the Constitution (when it doesn't suit their purposes) is that they believe they, being modern day thinkers with more information than the founders, know better than those that wrote such restrictions on their behaviors.
As you said, though, two can play at that game.
"The founders couldn't have known that the educational system would become so corrupt that the majority would prefer communism. So, since we know better, given the information we have now, we are fully justified in not funding the government".
PS - you can do your part in not funding the gov't by jumping through a few hoops and legally reducing your taxes by about half, if you find out how.
Yep, I could and I would. They would be no different than any other crook trying to steal my goods or my freedom. They are no longer your friends if they are trying to enforce unconstitutional laws. Laws don't override the constitution and we have no compunction to obey them if they do.
Our forefathers, or founding fathers if you prefer, faced the same situation you are talking about. They didn't wimp out, they fought the authorities, they fought their former friends and neighbors and eventually won. Many of them lost everything, including family members, in their fight for freedom but they didn't falter and they kept on going right to the end.
If you wish to end up a slave then follow your advice and don't fight back, myself, I will take the words of Patrick Henry to heart and follow them.
Henry Bowmans all over would be smart to know whom all the anti-gunners are, where they live, and what they look like... Starting with the dog catcher, JP, city aldermans, school boards, mayors, on up the food chain...
...of course this is all book fiction, right?!
“Just a note, if the left can ignore the US Constitutution can’t patriots also ignore it and refuse to pay taxes because we think it is outdated and old and silly?”
A general revolt is provided for in the Constitution. The Declaration if Independence is codified law.
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#2 “Or they would leave and live off the land until the time arrives to make a stand.” In the west, Midwest, Alaska, or even Canada would probably offer enough open land to do this.
#3 “If the government forces refuse to fire into the protesters the government would collapse...” What about the civilian security force Obama wants to form? Would that be “In the event troops fired on the crowds, the next protests would be attended by armed patriots. At this stage we have a revolution on our hands.”? This has happened before, but more equally armed.
#4 “Patriots start moving into areas of the country where there are large groups of conservatives. At some point the group of states secede from the union...” There have been suggestions of just this happening on FR. It may have been said tongue in cheek, but this too has happened before.
Thank you for your detailed reply. It has certainly given me something to think about.