Posted on 12/16/2008 9:41:55 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
He has one valid point- what they’re asking for is far, far, far less than what Wall Street got.
Yeah, that was a stupid assertion, about Mitsubishi bombing Pearl Harbor. Those planes were guns in someone's hands. One thing I learned from my grandfather is that French engineers taught Mitsubishi workers how to build those planes. And that's why some of those Japanese workers learned how to speak French. So, the French also bombed Pearl Harbor! As you say, all those workers are long dead.
Why should the U.S. consumer support overpaid union workers?
Amen.
Real free trade (not the phony NAFTA/WTO kind) opens up markets and benefits the consumer, and that is the purpose of the market.
Those are not 'free trade' agreements, they are managed trade between nations.
A true free trade agreement would simply removing all barriers of trade between the nations, not managing them.
You are correct, but regaining a reputation is very difficult once it is lost.
And the Democrats didn't have anything to do with those managed trade agreements, NAFTA/WTO?
The fact is that those union workers would rather see their companies go under rather then make concessions.
The Soviet Union collapsed because it overspent money on trying to keep industries going that were not productive, and we will also.
OK, you made a real NICE statement. Now, back your statement up. Show me proof that there were no carburetors that could get better gas mileage. The only thing that I have found that is a myth is that the Germans built a carburetor in 1936 that went 200 miles. That is the only thing that Snopes can verify as a myth. I have to believe that over the past 60 to 70 years, people built better carbs and fuel injection systems. If you have evidence otherwise, I would like to see it.
You fail Logic 101. Which surprises me not at all.
You can’t prove a negative. The burden of proof is on you.
Oops, forgot that part. Lived in one myself. Not so bad! However, I stand firm on the tattoos and piercing, and when elected, I shall enforce a national dress code using Obamba's new Nationalpolizei ...especially on Sundays and at ball games. And, as a matter of national aesthetics, any man with more than one tattoo, or a single tattoo larger than 3"X5", any part of which is visible when wearing the mandatory coat and tie, long pressed trousers, shined leather shoes and color-coordinated high stockings, will be shot, if not on sight, while hanging from any hardware worn through pierced body parts. Females under age 11 and under 75 pounds, living below the Mason-Dixon Line, may have their mid-riff section bare during July and August with written permission from any Mother Superior of the Sisters of the Sacred Heart. I will however, allow men the smoking of cigars and pipes in public. Women will be allowed cigarettes, but not in public. After all, if elected, I might seek re-election and don't want to come across as harsh or dictatorial.
Now, in re Range Rovers and Hessians
The lamentable shenanigans of the Hessians during the late rebellion aside, you should not buy a Range Rover because they have the worst reliability record since the Yugo and Rover 2000. Look it up. BTW, I am no anti-British car xenophobe. I drove a long series of MGs and still own a Jaguar, all of which gave me weeks of intense motoring pleasure before requiring overhauls.
As Shakespeare hisself once said:
Drive ye English,
Drive ye the best
Drive ye about a Mile,
Hoof ye the rest
What do you mean “nope”? The facts are that Blacks were indeed armed all across Alabama during the Jim Crow years. Check the facts rather than Hollywood movies.
What is your problem? Read all my posts, I OPPOSED THE FINACIAL BAILOUT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. It’s on this thread. You cannot address even the topic being discussed which is whether or not the Feds should use our money to give it to the big 3/UAW to stall their inevitable bankruptcy.
I didn’t use the word EVIL anywhere in my discussion. Sloth yes, greed yes, evil never said it.
Look if the UAW had any brains, they’d be donating money near equally to Republicans and Democrats. That way, when the congress got to the point that the auto industry should be nationalized, i.e. today, you’d have plenty of votes to get your largess at the expense of the rest of us.
Look, I just want employees who give a damn, who are willing to work, who don’t deliberately work slow, who don’t go around threating their co-workers who do do work and who don’t go around sabatoging the product. In other words, I WANT NON-UAW EMPLOYEES. I’ve witnessed all this crap with my UAW employees at my production facility. I’ve owned American cars. Hence, I know better than to buy the junk you produce.
I’m even told that you guys make a quality product now. Too late, I’m staying Japanese on my next car purchase. If you ever want us back again, I suggest you drop your demands for tax dollars and work with management to fix your failing businesses.
U knead 2 rite komedy.
U knead 2 rite komedy.
For years my best client was a certain Japanese car company which has maintained production facilities in the US for over 25 years (non-UAW).
At the same time I also had an American car company as a client (initials FORD), in whose plants I often was. The difference was night and day. The Japanese company's plant was as clean as a country hospital and nothing left it that was not (A) paid for, and (B) perfect. Deming-model QC was the official religion... and they were fanatics. I have an '89 model of their top-of-the-line vehicle and with 395,000 miles on it, it performs as new, or very close, e.g. burning 1 qt of oil every 3500 miles instead of none.
Pay (and benefits) for workers was as high, or higher than UAW standards. From a union point of view, a less desirable aspect of the labor scene was the use of many temporary workers who were paid less, had NO benefits, and whose hours were limited. However, the UAW was never able to organize and win an election, although given the opportunity often.
Ford, OTOH, could not get anything right (4 years to get the Taurus electrics handled?!) at the time, the only bright spots being its access to euro-tech and a connection with Mazda for engines and other engineering. But I will cheerfully admit that Ford's latest products show a vast quality and design improvement... even though the SOBs stiffed my little company on the last invoice AND DAMN NEAR PUT ME OUT OF BUSINESS!
I distinctly remember telling UAW members that the employees of the Japanese plant reported in 10 minutes early, and conferred with the leaving shift, which stayed 10 minutes longer, to discuss any problems in production and to exchange info. My Lord, you would have thought I was telling them about torture! BTW, if a worker at the Japanese plant made the clock every day for a month, there was a $100 bonus.
Bailout? Hell no. Why can't the Ford Foundation and its anti-American left-wing wackos put up $50 billion or so to bail'ém out. Why me?
I work at a production facility that employs UAW today. Within the past 5 years we have had UAW members set fire to one of our factory areas that caused MILLIONS in damage, including the destruction of a million dollar Government Owned Asset.
Do NOT lecture me about UAW employees and how wonderful they are. One time I made an agreement with the Union to help keep a HARD WORKING union employee employed. The very next day, the union reneged on the deal. Liars. Apparently, keeping good employees around screws with the Union's overriding desire to force my business to have only useless and marginal union performers, thus maximizing union membership. This is not a sustainable business practice for any business save GOVERNMENT.
One time I was asked by one of my Union employees "why I was offering overtime to them and not bringing back her cousin, who was the next guy on the call-back list." I told her the plain simple truth, "that so-and-so was a terrible employee, who repeatedly failed to do his job and caused excessive rework. But worse than that, he spent almost his entire day walking around trying to get other union employees to stop working and produce less. Why do I want to call back a person who actual generates negative value to my operation? I have to bring back 3 people to get 1 persons worth of labor, forget it. Feel free to pass on the message to him that his actions did have consequences, this time around." She looked at me like she had seen a ghost. Perhaps they were used to getting told b.s. before I became their supervisor.
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