Posted on 12/16/2008 4:19:57 PM PST by briarbey b
Emmerich de Vattel was a Swiss jurist who attained world preeminence in international law. This was primarily the result of his great foundational work, which he published in 1758. His monumental work - The Law of Nations - applied a theory of natural law to international relations. His scholarly, foundational, and systematic explanation of the Law of Nations was especially influential in the United States.
The Law of Nations was so influnntial in the United States because his principles of liberty and equality coincided with the ideals expressed in the US Declaration of Independence. In particular, his definitions in terms of Law governing nations regarding citizenship, defense of neutrality, and his rules for commerce between neutral and belligerent states were considered authoritative in the United States.
Many have said that de Vattel's Law of Nations was THE primary reference and defining book used by the framers of the US Constitution. It is really not possible to overstate the influence of de Vattel's Law of Nations as the primary reference book in the drafting of the US Constitution. Emmerich de Vattel's Law of Nations is almost beyond comparison in its value as a defining document regarding US Constitution intent and interpretation. The Law of Nations, or the Principles of Natural Law, published in 1758, is the first, and ONLY, definitive work the Framers of the US Constitution used for the 'Natural Born Citizen' phrase they placed within the Constitution. It nails what the Constitution means by the "natural born citizen" phrase of Section 1, Article 2, of the US Constitution.
It is amazing how perfectly, precisely, and explicitly what Emmerich de Vattel, wrote in paragraph 212, of book 1, chapter 19, of The Law of Nations entitled CITIZENS AND NATIONS, applies to the Obama FRAUD. Quite clearly and explicitly it defines why Barry Soetoro, AKA Barack Heussein Obama Junior, can NOT possibly be qualified to be the President of the United States. Obama MUST be disqualified from the office of President of the United States according to the US Constitution Section 1 Article 2.
That is simply the only thing the Rule of Law could conclude. All US military personal and every other American under oath to protect and defend the US Constitution will be duty bound to remove the fraudulent usurper. This situation is REGARDLESS of votes, electors, media blackouts, high profile embarrassments, state court decisions, supreme court actions or inaction, birth certificates real or forged, or any other documents - Obama can NOT LEGALLY BE The US President. Fraud and illegality has become customary under the Bush-Clinton-Bush syndicate of sudden destruction.
Emmerich de Vattel's explanation of "Natural Born Citizen" given in his 1759 benchmark work, used, and so often quoted, by the framers of the US constitution, makes the understanding simple, explicit, clear, definite, exact, precise, and strict. In the CITIZENS AND NATIONS, paragraph #212, de Vattel says: "The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society can not exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as a matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. THE COUNTRY OF THE FATHERS IS THEREFORE THAT OF THE CHILDREN."
No documentation is required. Everyone should understand and KNOW the answer to the question of what country is the country of which Obama was a natural born citizen. It is IMPOSSIBLE for Barry Obama, Barry Soetoro, or Barack Hussein Obama Junior, to be a natural born United States citizen. He can NOT POSSIBLY be a "natural born citizen" of the US because his father, Barack Hussein Obama Senior, was a Citizen of UK and/or Kenya. Barcak Hussein Obama Junior could be a natural born British Citizen or a natural born Kenyan Citizen. There is NO possible way Barack Hussein Obama Junior could be a natural born US Citizen; because, at the time of Barack Hussein Obama Junior was born, his father, Barack Hussein Obama Senior was a British and/or Kenyan Citizen. Whether Barack Hussein Obama Junior was born in Hawaii, Kenya, or the moon, is irrelevant. Birth documents, real or forged, are irrelevant. Yes, even VOTES ARE IRRELEVANT. Even Supreme Court action, or inaction, is irrelevant. It is simply FRAUD and illegal for Barack Hussein Obama Junior to be put in the office of US President by any means or reason.
This explains Obama's strange behavior in all of his documents and records being SEALED and why he has already spent over $800,000.00 saying NO DOCUMENTS WILL BE ALLOWED UNSEALED or made public.
Barack Hussein Obama Junior is at the epicenter of the greatest national disaster in the history of the United States. NOTHING which Obama would ever do in the office of US President could ever be anything other than FRAUD and ILLEGAL.
I like the way brother Ted said it - The consequences of the Supreme Court declining to address the US Constitution's "natural born citizen" clause on the morning of Monday 12/15/08 — thereafter enabling the College of Electors to transform the crisis from "law" to "political and Congressional", leading to the `inauguration' of Mr. Obama, are nothing less than catastrophic. Lawsuits by members of the military challenging his `commander in chief' status are INEVITABLE. And a military takeover to oust the "usurper" may be inevitable as well. Where is the media? This is no "tin foil hat" joke.
AN-OBAMA-NATION CAN BE NOTHING BUT FRAUDULENT AND ILLEGAL.
I am not more an advocate of a “living Constitution” than Justices Roberts, Scalia, Thomas and Alito and over the last couple weeks those fine Strict Constructionist Justices of the SCOTUS have rejected claims regarding Obama's natural born citizenship.
It appears you have some homework to do.
No homework for me. I am a natural born citizen and I was not born in the United States. I hold a U.S. Passport and I have a Birth Certificate issued by the U.S. Department of State.
Copies of that Birth Certificate (DS-1350) are in my safe and the Department of State.
Now, if Obama was born in Kenya, his DS-1350 would be at the Department of State.
True, but the evidence is pretty solid he was born in Hawaii.
Also, as I said, if he had indonesian citizenship through his step-father (indonesian did not recognize dual citizenship)and never legally became a US citizen he is not able to be appointed.
False. A child cannot lose US his citizenship by virtue of adoption. No person can renounce his citizenship until he is 18, and there is no evidence Obama ever did this. Neither can a parent renounce a child's citizenship in his stead.
It's possible that Indonesia considered him an Indonesian citzien between age 6 and 10, but he would not have lost his US citizenship by virtue of that fact.
Congress' only "ultimate rule" on eligibility is impeachment- which, of course, can only be exercised after he is President.
In construing the constitution it is a rule that where a power is given in an instance and not in a similar one that it is the same as if that power were affirmatively denied.
Congress is specifically given the power to judge their members qualifications yet they are not given that power with regards to the President's qualifications.
We really need legislation establishing a clear, national, standard for qualifying candidates.
bttt
1. Here we are, the American public, crawling on our hands and knees begging the Supreme Court to please, please do something about this Obama eligibility mess, but the Supreme Court---for some unknown reason--- is completely, utterly silent on the issue, as if it didn't care what happened to the United States in the next four years during the first term of the mysterious ghost President Obama.
2. I mean, how hard is it for the Supreme Court to tell Obama to simply produce his long form Hawaii birth certificate---the one with the doctor and Hawaii birth hospital names on it---in order to prove that he is eligible to be president under the laws of the U.S. Constitution?
3. Doesn't the Supreme Court realize that when it looks around, it has no legal document in hand that proves that Obama was born in Hawaii?
4. Doesn't the Supreme Court realize that no state---outside of Hawaii---has ever seen Obama's long form birth certificate, the one with the doctor and Hawaii birth hospital names on it?
5. My God, Supreme Court. The least you could do is hear oral arguments as to why Obama is fighting so hard NOT to produce his Hawaii long form birth certificate---the one with doctor and Hawaii birth hospital names on it---in order to prove that he, Obama, is eligible to be president under the laws of the Constitution of the United States.
6. NOTE to the Supreme Court: Doesn't it bother you that not a single Hawaii hospital has come out publicly and announced that Obama was born there, if, as Obama claims, he was born in a hospital in Hawaii on Aug. 4, 1961?
A citizen at birth is a natural born citizen.
"The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens."
I think more precise would be:
The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born IN -- OR OF -- the country, OF parent(S) who are citizens OF said country.
The intent is the 'natural born' citizen is NOT as likely to enjoy an allegiance to a foreign power as a naturalized citizen might.
The bottom line is the President is forbidden from having ANY sense of dual loyalty.
The concern of the framers was that a foreign power could come into the country and perhaps through intermarriage with a citizen, or even naturalization, install a President and thus rule by proxy.
There was even a concern when JFK ran of President that -- because he was Catholic -- he would be taking orders from the Vatican, in Rome.
… Of course JFK was fully qualified as a 'natural born' citizen, under the constitution.
The point is the President must not under ANY circumstances be in the pocket of a foreign power.
This is what makes Obama's strange and aberrant behavior in regard to his 'vital' documents -- including his vault birth certificate -- so alarming.
It's really a question of sovereignty.
Once the sovereignty of the country is lost, in what hands will the sovereignty (freedom) of 'the people' rest?
STE=Q
As I am not a barrister I will not comment on the other issue. I would find it important that if obama attended school as a foreign student and traveled on a passport other than US after the age of 18 that would, in my mind, be renouncing his US citizenship.
So, it is your view that a person born in the United States who at the time of his birth is eligible for citizenship of another country is not a natural born citizen?
There is absolutely none.
I would find it important that if obama attended school as a foreign student
Why would he do that, when getting need-based financial aid is much easier for a US citizen?
and traveled on a passport other than US after the age of 18 that would, in my mind, be renouncing his US citizenship.
It's pretty hard to lose your citizenship. There are only a handful of ways of doing. You can find the list here:
http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_778.html
You will note that traveling on a foriegn passport isn't one of them.
We have several working FR tonight working a whole shelf of lies. It is the David Axelrod way, to layer lies on an issue to obfuscate the truth and float a forgery.
I wrote:
“The point is the President must not under ANY circumstances be in the pocket of a foreign power.”
You wrote:
So, it is your view that a person born in the United States who at the time of his birth is eligible for citizenship of another country is not a natural born citizen?”
Don’t be obsurd!
I person could be ‘eligible for citizenship’ in thousands of countries that would NOT mean he had divided layalties.
I can assure you the founding fathers were not stupid.
The conclusion you draw from what I wrote does not logically follow.
Being ‘eligible’ would not entangle one in the deed.
Everyone on the planet is ‘eligible’ to be a murderer but that doesn’t mean we don’t have laws forbidding murder.
By the same token the directive ‘The President must not under ANY circumstances be in the pocket of a foreign power’ precludes him from having dual loyalties weather he is ‘eligible’ or not.
You might want to look up the word eligible.
Is English a second language for you?
STE=Q
Keep your chin up, MHGinTN. Already a number of people that supported Obama blindly are second-guessing their devotion. Obama, through his actions and inactions, is his own worst enemy now even among his own team.
Yes, I understand the word “eligible.”
So, do you believe that a person who was born overseas to American parents would be a natural born citizen and eligible to be president?
"There is absolutely none.
His paternal grandmother is on video claiming that he was born in kenya and she was there. That is evidence.
His website posted a fraudulent Certification of Live Birth (not a Certificate of Live Birth) That is evidence. He has posted a Selective Service Registration that is dubious. That is evidence. He has refused to release his school and medical records.
"I would find it important that if obama attended school as a foreign student."
"Why would he do that, when getting need-based financial aid is much easier for a US citizen?
Maybe because he had to legally apply as a foreign student because he was legally a foreign student? All he has to do is provide the required documentation and this will end. He has spent almost $1 million fighting it. That is suspicious. Don't you agree?
I said:
A person could be ‘eligible for citizenship’ in thousands of countries that would NOT mean he had divided loyalties.
What I mean is another country could bestow citizenship on one but that would be different from one actively seeking such citizenship.
That’s why it would be so helpful for Obama to come forward with his vital records.
Until he does there will be some justifiable concerns as to his qualification to serve as President — under the Constitution.
I’m a little testy tonight.
STE=Q
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