Posted on 12/16/2008 4:19:57 PM PST by briarbey b
I am not more an advocate of a “living Constitution” than Justices Roberts, Scalia, Thomas and Alito and over the last couple weeks those fine Strict Constructionist Justices of the SCOTUS have rejected claims regarding Obama's natural born citizenship.
It appears you have some homework to do.
No homework for me. I am a natural born citizen and I was not born in the United States. I hold a U.S. Passport and I have a Birth Certificate issued by the U.S. Department of State.
Copies of that Birth Certificate (DS-1350) are in my safe and the Department of State.
Now, if Obama was born in Kenya, his DS-1350 would be at the Department of State.
True, but the evidence is pretty solid he was born in Hawaii.
Also, as I said, if he had indonesian citizenship through his step-father (indonesian did not recognize dual citizenship)and never legally became a US citizen he is not able to be appointed.
False. A child cannot lose US his citizenship by virtue of adoption. No person can renounce his citizenship until he is 18, and there is no evidence Obama ever did this. Neither can a parent renounce a child's citizenship in his stead.
It's possible that Indonesia considered him an Indonesian citzien between age 6 and 10, but he would not have lost his US citizenship by virtue of that fact.
Congress' only "ultimate rule" on eligibility is impeachment- which, of course, can only be exercised after he is President.
In construing the constitution it is a rule that where a power is given in an instance and not in a similar one that it is the same as if that power were affirmatively denied.
Congress is specifically given the power to judge their members qualifications yet they are not given that power with regards to the President's qualifications.
We really need legislation establishing a clear, national, standard for qualifying candidates.
bttt
1. Here we are, the American public, crawling on our hands and knees begging the Supreme Court to please, please do something about this Obama eligibility mess, but the Supreme Court---for some unknown reason--- is completely, utterly silent on the issue, as if it didn't care what happened to the United States in the next four years during the first term of the mysterious ghost President Obama.
2. I mean, how hard is it for the Supreme Court to tell Obama to simply produce his long form Hawaii birth certificate---the one with the doctor and Hawaii birth hospital names on it---in order to prove that he is eligible to be president under the laws of the U.S. Constitution?
3. Doesn't the Supreme Court realize that when it looks around, it has no legal document in hand that proves that Obama was born in Hawaii?
4. Doesn't the Supreme Court realize that no state---outside of Hawaii---has ever seen Obama's long form birth certificate, the one with the doctor and Hawaii birth hospital names on it?
5. My God, Supreme Court. The least you could do is hear oral arguments as to why Obama is fighting so hard NOT to produce his Hawaii long form birth certificate---the one with doctor and Hawaii birth hospital names on it---in order to prove that he, Obama, is eligible to be president under the laws of the Constitution of the United States.
6. NOTE to the Supreme Court: Doesn't it bother you that not a single Hawaii hospital has come out publicly and announced that Obama was born there, if, as Obama claims, he was born in a hospital in Hawaii on Aug. 4, 1961?
A citizen at birth is a natural born citizen.
"The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens."
I think more precise would be:
The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born IN -- OR OF -- the country, OF parent(S) who are citizens OF said country.
The intent is the 'natural born' citizen is NOT as likely to enjoy an allegiance to a foreign power as a naturalized citizen might.
The bottom line is the President is forbidden from having ANY sense of dual loyalty.
The concern of the framers was that a foreign power could come into the country and perhaps through intermarriage with a citizen, or even naturalization, install a President and thus rule by proxy.
There was even a concern when JFK ran of President that -- because he was Catholic -- he would be taking orders from the Vatican, in Rome.
… Of course JFK was fully qualified as a 'natural born' citizen, under the constitution.
The point is the President must not under ANY circumstances be in the pocket of a foreign power.
This is what makes Obama's strange and aberrant behavior in regard to his 'vital' documents -- including his vault birth certificate -- so alarming.
It's really a question of sovereignty.
Once the sovereignty of the country is lost, in what hands will the sovereignty (freedom) of 'the people' rest?
STE=Q
As I am not a barrister I will not comment on the other issue. I would find it important that if obama attended school as a foreign student and traveled on a passport other than US after the age of 18 that would, in my mind, be renouncing his US citizenship.
So, it is your view that a person born in the United States who at the time of his birth is eligible for citizenship of another country is not a natural born citizen?
There is absolutely none.
I would find it important that if obama attended school as a foreign student
Why would he do that, when getting need-based financial aid is much easier for a US citizen?
and traveled on a passport other than US after the age of 18 that would, in my mind, be renouncing his US citizenship.
It's pretty hard to lose your citizenship. There are only a handful of ways of doing. You can find the list here:
http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_778.html
You will note that traveling on a foriegn passport isn't one of them.
We have several working FR tonight working a whole shelf of lies. It is the David Axelrod way, to layer lies on an issue to obfuscate the truth and float a forgery.
I wrote:
“The point is the President must not under ANY circumstances be in the pocket of a foreign power.”
You wrote:
So, it is your view that a person born in the United States who at the time of his birth is eligible for citizenship of another country is not a natural born citizen?”
Don’t be obsurd!
I person could be ‘eligible for citizenship’ in thousands of countries that would NOT mean he had divided layalties.
I can assure you the founding fathers were not stupid.
The conclusion you draw from what I wrote does not logically follow.
Being ‘eligible’ would not entangle one in the deed.
Everyone on the planet is ‘eligible’ to be a murderer but that doesn’t mean we don’t have laws forbidding murder.
By the same token the directive ‘The President must not under ANY circumstances be in the pocket of a foreign power’ precludes him from having dual loyalties weather he is ‘eligible’ or not.
You might want to look up the word eligible.
Is English a second language for you?
STE=Q
Keep your chin up, MHGinTN. Already a number of people that supported Obama blindly are second-guessing their devotion. Obama, through his actions and inactions, is his own worst enemy now even among his own team.
Yes, I understand the word “eligible.”
So, do you believe that a person who was born overseas to American parents would be a natural born citizen and eligible to be president?
"There is absolutely none.
His paternal grandmother is on video claiming that he was born in kenya and she was there. That is evidence.
His website posted a fraudulent Certification of Live Birth (not a Certificate of Live Birth) That is evidence. He has posted a Selective Service Registration that is dubious. That is evidence. He has refused to release his school and medical records.
"I would find it important that if obama attended school as a foreign student."
"Why would he do that, when getting need-based financial aid is much easier for a US citizen?
Maybe because he had to legally apply as a foreign student because he was legally a foreign student? All he has to do is provide the required documentation and this will end. He has spent almost $1 million fighting it. That is suspicious. Don't you agree?
I said:
A person could be ‘eligible for citizenship’ in thousands of countries that would NOT mean he had divided loyalties.
What I mean is another country could bestow citizenship on one but that would be different from one actively seeking such citizenship.
That’s why it would be so helpful for Obama to come forward with his vital records.
Until he does there will be some justifiable concerns as to his qualification to serve as President — under the Constitution.
I’m a little testy tonight.
STE=Q
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