Posted on 12/16/2008 4:19:57 PM PST by briarbey b
“Can you point to me where in the Constitution, legislation of case law, where “Natural Born Citizen” is defined?”
While you are waiting for a response, will you let me ask two questions?
1. Will you accept the definition provided by one of the authors of the 14th amemdment?
2. Do you believe if O was born in Kenya he is qualified to be president?
It is in the last place you used it.
There are two types of U.S. citizens. Natural born and naturalized. The natural born are those who are U.S. citizens at birth. The naturalized become U.S. citizens by legal proceedings. Obama never went through a naturalization process, so he is either a natural born citizen or an illegal immigrant.
It is not impossible. There are enough officers that believe in the Constitution and the rule of law. All it takes is one with guts enough to do something. As soon as Obama is delared a usurper or suspected of being one then the US military is bound to move on it. The officers that are “political” and won’t have the guts to move on it will also not have the guts to oppose those who do. It may be surprising to see those that stand up and those that go to ground.
It is what happens after that, that will be interesting
Rep. John Bingham of Ohio, considered the father of the Fourteenth Amendment, confirms the understanding and construction the framers used in regards to birthright and jurisdiction while speaking on civil rights of citizens in the House on March 9, 1866:
” ... I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen...”
Native born is geographic. Natural born is allegiance based and can be based upon blood line as child of citizens no matter location of birth.
N00b! Hasn’t Axcelrod changed your talking points for astroturfing yet?
1. Unless his definition is included in the 14th Amendment, then no, his personal definition does not appear to be relevant.
2. If he was born on the moon to an American parent, then yes he is natural born.
That is an outright lie, and I suspect you damn wel know it! The law when Obama was supposedly born stated that his mother had to have been residing int he US for at least five years past the age of fourteen. You agitprop Obamanoid liars are getting bold!
Why would Axelrod agree with me? He wants Zero to show his BC to a court now like Johnnie Mac did?
One would think an “Old timer” would not say such stupid things.
Nice try. It isn’t ‘jumping or not jumping on a bandwagon’ it is the smartaleck ridicule and condescension, dumb blonde. Seems to be your stock and trade at FR.
...here come the smart guys!! :) LOVE your tag line...how TRUE!!
He knew what ever the truth was when "he" wrote his books. He wouldn't have had to "make up" a story about his father if his father was someone else, just told the truth. Who would have cared?
You might want to follow the link to Sec. 1401 that takes you to Cornell's website. The above is not in the code that they show but appears to be the linking website's comments. In other words...0.
It would be interesting to see Obama arrested at his inaugaration by a military officer. What would the secret service do? I would almost bet that there are others in positions of power within the US that know what the true score is with Obama. It may be a waiting game as he has really done nothing illegal until he tries to take office.
We are either a nation that lives under the rule of law, as set forth in the Constitution, The Bill of Right, and other legal enabling bodies or we are not.
We will soon know. Keep your powder dry.
This old timer is calling you a liar.
AMEN
Are you practising for an Idiot license? Obama would not have been born a citizen to a mother under 18 at the time of birth. His mother was not old enough to pass it to him. She was within the US almost her whole life.
In no way are my remarks helpful to Obama’s case. Just because I forecast that the absurd Donofrio case was going nowhere does not mean I believe Obama is eligible.
Only someone intent on distorting my points would talk like you.
1) A U.S. citizen at birth is a “natural born citizen”
2) The children of Military personnel serving overseas are “natural born citizens” (Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)).
Anyone born inside the United States
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
Thanks for chiming in just to sling your own insults.
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