Skip to comments.The TRUE definition of a "Natural Born Citizen."
Posted on 12/16/2008 4:19:57 PM PST by briarbey b
Emmerich de Vattel was a Swiss jurist who attained world preeminence in international law. This was primarily the result of his great foundational work, which he published in 1758. His monumental work - The Law of Nations - applied a theory of natural law to international relations. His scholarly, foundational, and systematic explanation of the Law of Nations was especially influential in the United States.
The Law of Nations was so influnntial in the United States because his principles of liberty and equality coincided with the ideals expressed in the US Declaration of Independence. In particular, his definitions in terms of Law governing nations regarding citizenship, defense of neutrality, and his rules for commerce between neutral and belligerent states were considered authoritative in the United States.
Many have said that de Vattel's Law of Nations was THE primary reference and defining book used by the framers of the US Constitution. It is really not possible to overstate the influence of de Vattel's Law of Nations as the primary reference book in the drafting of the US Constitution. Emmerich de Vattel's Law of Nations is almost beyond comparison in its value as a defining document regarding US Constitution intent and interpretation. The Law of Nations, or the Principles of Natural Law, published in 1758, is the first, and ONLY, definitive work the Framers of the US Constitution used for the 'Natural Born Citizen' phrase they placed within the Constitution. It nails what the Constitution means by the "natural born citizen" phrase of Section 1, Article 2, of the US Constitution.
It is amazing how perfectly, precisely, and explicitly what Emmerich de Vattel, wrote in paragraph 212, of book 1, chapter 19, of The Law of Nations entitled CITIZENS AND NATIONS, applies to the Obama FRAUD. Quite clearly and explicitly it defines why Barry Soetoro, AKA Barack Heussein Obama Junior, can NOT possibly be qualified to be the President of the United States. Obama MUST be disqualified from the office of President of the United States according to the US Constitution Section 1 Article 2.
That is simply the only thing the Rule of Law could conclude. All US military personal and every other American under oath to protect and defend the US Constitution will be duty bound to remove the fraudulent usurper. This situation is REGARDLESS of votes, electors, media blackouts, high profile embarrassments, state court decisions, supreme court actions or inaction, birth certificates real or forged, or any other documents - Obama can NOT LEGALLY BE The US President. Fraud and illegality has become customary under the Bush-Clinton-Bush syndicate of sudden destruction.
Emmerich de Vattel's explanation of "Natural Born Citizen" given in his 1759 benchmark work, used, and so often quoted, by the framers of the US constitution, makes the understanding simple, explicit, clear, definite, exact, precise, and strict. In the CITIZENS AND NATIONS, paragraph #212, de Vattel says: "The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society can not exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as a matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. THE COUNTRY OF THE FATHERS IS THEREFORE THAT OF THE CHILDREN."
No documentation is required. Everyone should understand and KNOW the answer to the question of what country is the country of which Obama was a natural born citizen. It is IMPOSSIBLE for Barry Obama, Barry Soetoro, or Barack Hussein Obama Junior, to be a natural born United States citizen. He can NOT POSSIBLY be a "natural born citizen" of the US because his father, Barack Hussein Obama Senior, was a Citizen of UK and/or Kenya. Barcak Hussein Obama Junior could be a natural born British Citizen or a natural born Kenyan Citizen. There is NO possible way Barack Hussein Obama Junior could be a natural born US Citizen; because, at the time of Barack Hussein Obama Junior was born, his father, Barack Hussein Obama Senior was a British and/or Kenyan Citizen. Whether Barack Hussein Obama Junior was born in Hawaii, Kenya, or the moon, is irrelevant. Birth documents, real or forged, are irrelevant. Yes, even VOTES ARE IRRELEVANT. Even Supreme Court action, or inaction, is irrelevant. It is simply FRAUD and illegal for Barack Hussein Obama Junior to be put in the office of US President by any means or reason.
This explains Obama's strange behavior in all of his documents and records being SEALED and why he has already spent over $800,000.00 saying NO DOCUMENTS WILL BE ALLOWED UNSEALED or made public.
Barack Hussein Obama Junior is at the epicenter of the greatest national disaster in the history of the United States. NOTHING which Obama would ever do in the office of US President could ever be anything other than FRAUD and ILLEGAL.
I like the way brother Ted said it - The consequences of the Supreme Court declining to address the US Constitution's "natural born citizen" clause on the morning of Monday 12/15/08 thereafter enabling the College of Electors to transform the crisis from "law" to "political and Congressional", leading to the `inauguration' of Mr. Obama, are nothing less than catastrophic. Lawsuits by members of the military challenging his `commander in chief' status are INEVITABLE. And a military takeover to oust the "usurper" may be inevitable as well. Where is the media? This is no "tin foil hat" joke.
AN-OBAMA-NATION CAN BE NOTHING BUT FRAUDULENT AND ILLEGAL.
It does not appear that Roberts, Scalia, Thomas and Alito bought that argument.
He can NOT POSSIBLY be a “natural born citizen” of the US because his father, Barack Hussein Obama Senior, was a Citizen of UK and/or Kenya....
Here is an assumption that could be wrong. Who says that BHO senior is his father? Since we cant see his original typewritten birth documents we don’t know that for a fact.
In fact if he has a different father or no father listed it is a great reason to hide the BC.
The situation we are in right now is a direct and natural consequence of not enforcing other, more minor, laws. The first thing that comes to mind is immigration.
Or his father could be Malcolm X or Storm Thurmond.
That is correct because the Obama Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth that is always referred to is a computer summary document of changes for non-US born citizens, adoptions, error changes based on inputs from relatives etc.
I am greatly grieved by what I see happening to this country and I don’t know what to do!!! All we are founded on is being shredded page by page!! :(
If the Arkansas? congressman is able to pass the natural born citizenship legislation, then obammy will be in trouble going forward.
It doesn’t matter who the father is....obama has a duty to represent himself accurately to voters.
Is it possible to sue the DNC? It seems they are the organization that ‘approved’ him as a candidate. If not sue michelle obama or anyone on his inner circle that knows. Make them cough up information.
Berg was right about one thing, if he was slandering or character defamation on obama then why didn’t he sue to make Berg go away?
You know what else from Switzerland inspired the Framers? Private gun ownership aka The Second Amednment. The Swiss had bows going back to William Tell.
“the Law of nations” has no standings in U.S. law, nor should it.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”
Anyone born inside the United States
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.
I am greatly grieved by what I see happening to this country and I dont know what to do!!! All we are founded on is being shredded page by page!! :( ...
All of us are grieved, who have a sense history, a love for this country, and understand what negative change will do to this dreamland.
Gotta LOVE the Swiss...Hitler hit a wall with them!!
Does anyone else feel completely stupid and helpless????
I am more than willing to accept Obama as my President but only if it stays within the frame work of our constitution!!
Is it possible to sue the DNC? It seems they are the organization that approved him as a candidate. If not sue michelle obama or anyone on his inner circle that knows...
Unfortunately there is no real legally documented proof. Obama saw to that when he shut down college and state agencies who could produce the proof.
um, some here would disagree with you... just wait!
Stronger legal minds than mine will be here soon to set you straight.
And you can bet the founders knew it too. Over and over we see examples where they relied on the important, contemporaneous works of the day, Adam Smith, John Locke, etc.
Vattels “Law of Nations” is THE treatise on international relations and obligations.
I understand your words. I have asked many people I have met in the last several years, “How is America different than other nations?”
Our founding documents? Perhaps, for now, but, they are aging slowly to dust.
Our citizenry? They have just voted a catastrophe into the White Hut. Consider all the “Chicago” people he is appointing. Given the news lately, does that give anyone confidence?
Do a search on Cathy Buckle and read about how human beings clinically indistinguishable from Americans are faring.
Under the right circumstances, the horrors we see in the world around us are possible right here.
At the root of it, how do we differ from all those people killing and being killed in cesspools around the world?
Civilization is indeed a thin veneer.
“In fact if he has a different father or no father listed it is a great reason to hide the BC.”
FWIW, this is what I wrote on another thread:
Why is O spending large sums to avoid disclosing his birth documents? What could be embarrassing about Os birth documents if he was born in Hawaii to Ann and O Sr.?
Based on what we presently are allowed to know, if O was born in Kenya clearly he is not natural born. Os newspaper birth announcement, which states only: Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug 4 indicates O was not the child of two US citizens.
What could be wrong? 1) no father named in the documents; 2) Frank Davis appears as the fathers name; 3) place of birth: Kenya; 4) any combination. Can you think of other embarrassing possibilities?
1) is unlikely given Ann and Sr. lived together before and after the birth and in light of the birth announcement published nine days later;
2) again, inconsistent with 1) above - although this would clumsily provide two (unmarried) parents who were US citizens. Further, even if Ann had relations with Davis long before any with Sr., why would anyone advocate offering the name of a man not ones ostensible husband? There is simply no value in 1961 to the Davis name. Of course, there is value in the Davis name in 2007/8/9 and that may have been part of the self-serving motivation behind Os sponsorship of the 2008 Senate resolution
3) this ought to be embarrassing because its inconsistent with the life story O tells; but, that would be the least of his problems.
I don’t understand what is so hard about this??? We have had 43 Presidents before this...has it ever been an issue before? Why do I feel like the sh*t is about to hit the fan??? Nothing seems right or feels right!!
All of this is reasonable except this
I can not ever imagine the US Armed services Officer Core ever challenging the legitimacy of the US President as Commander In Chief.
Other than the President surrendering US Sovereignty to a foreign power it is inconceivable.