Posted on 12/16/2008 4:19:57 PM PST by briarbey b
Emmerich de Vattel was a Swiss jurist who attained world preeminence in international law. This was primarily the result of his great foundational work, which he published in 1758. His monumental work - The Law of Nations - applied a theory of natural law to international relations. His scholarly, foundational, and systematic explanation of the Law of Nations was especially influential in the United States.
The Law of Nations was so influnntial in the United States because his principles of liberty and equality coincided with the ideals expressed in the US Declaration of Independence. In particular, his definitions in terms of Law governing nations regarding citizenship, defense of neutrality, and his rules for commerce between neutral and belligerent states were considered authoritative in the United States.
Many have said that de Vattel's Law of Nations was THE primary reference and defining book used by the framers of the US Constitution. It is really not possible to overstate the influence of de Vattel's Law of Nations as the primary reference book in the drafting of the US Constitution. Emmerich de Vattel's Law of Nations is almost beyond comparison in its value as a defining document regarding US Constitution intent and interpretation. The Law of Nations, or the Principles of Natural Law, published in 1758, is the first, and ONLY, definitive work the Framers of the US Constitution used for the 'Natural Born Citizen' phrase they placed within the Constitution. It nails what the Constitution means by the "natural born citizen" phrase of Section 1, Article 2, of the US Constitution.
It is amazing how perfectly, precisely, and explicitly what Emmerich de Vattel, wrote in paragraph 212, of book 1, chapter 19, of The Law of Nations entitled CITIZENS AND NATIONS, applies to the Obama FRAUD. Quite clearly and explicitly it defines why Barry Soetoro, AKA Barack Heussein Obama Junior, can NOT possibly be qualified to be the President of the United States. Obama MUST be disqualified from the office of President of the United States according to the US Constitution Section 1 Article 2.
That is simply the only thing the Rule of Law could conclude. All US military personal and every other American under oath to protect and defend the US Constitution will be duty bound to remove the fraudulent usurper. This situation is REGARDLESS of votes, electors, media blackouts, high profile embarrassments, state court decisions, supreme court actions or inaction, birth certificates real or forged, or any other documents - Obama can NOT LEGALLY BE The US President. Fraud and illegality has become customary under the Bush-Clinton-Bush syndicate of sudden destruction.
Emmerich de Vattel's explanation of "Natural Born Citizen" given in his 1759 benchmark work, used, and so often quoted, by the framers of the US constitution, makes the understanding simple, explicit, clear, definite, exact, precise, and strict. In the CITIZENS AND NATIONS, paragraph #212, de Vattel says: "The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society can not exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as a matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. THE COUNTRY OF THE FATHERS IS THEREFORE THAT OF THE CHILDREN."
No documentation is required. Everyone should understand and KNOW the answer to the question of what country is the country of which Obama was a natural born citizen. It is IMPOSSIBLE for Barry Obama, Barry Soetoro, or Barack Hussein Obama Junior, to be a natural born United States citizen. He can NOT POSSIBLY be a "natural born citizen" of the US because his father, Barack Hussein Obama Senior, was a Citizen of UK and/or Kenya. Barcak Hussein Obama Junior could be a natural born British Citizen or a natural born Kenyan Citizen. There is NO possible way Barack Hussein Obama Junior could be a natural born US Citizen; because, at the time of Barack Hussein Obama Junior was born, his father, Barack Hussein Obama Senior was a British and/or Kenyan Citizen. Whether Barack Hussein Obama Junior was born in Hawaii, Kenya, or the moon, is irrelevant. Birth documents, real or forged, are irrelevant. Yes, even VOTES ARE IRRELEVANT. Even Supreme Court action, or inaction, is irrelevant. It is simply FRAUD and illegal for Barack Hussein Obama Junior to be put in the office of US President by any means or reason.
This explains Obama's strange behavior in all of his documents and records being SEALED and why he has already spent over $800,000.00 saying NO DOCUMENTS WILL BE ALLOWED UNSEALED or made public.
Barack Hussein Obama Junior is at the epicenter of the greatest national disaster in the history of the United States. NOTHING which Obama would ever do in the office of US President could ever be anything other than FRAUD and ILLEGAL.
I like the way brother Ted said it - The consequences of the Supreme Court declining to address the US Constitution's "natural born citizen" clause on the morning of Monday 12/15/08 — thereafter enabling the College of Electors to transform the crisis from "law" to "political and Congressional", leading to the `inauguration' of Mr. Obama, are nothing less than catastrophic. Lawsuits by members of the military challenging his `commander in chief' status are INEVITABLE. And a military takeover to oust the "usurper" may be inevitable as well. Where is the media? This is no "tin foil hat" joke.
AN-OBAMA-NATION CAN BE NOTHING BUT FRAUDULENT AND ILLEGAL.
“Can you point to me where in the Constitution, legislation of case law, where “Natural Born Citizen” is defined?”
While you are waiting for a response, will you let me ask two questions?
1. Will you accept the definition provided by one of the authors of the 14th amemdment?
2. Do you believe if O was born in Kenya he is qualified to be president?
It is in the last place you used it.
There are two types of U.S. citizens. Natural born and naturalized. The natural born are those who are U.S. citizens at birth. The naturalized become U.S. citizens by legal proceedings. Obama never went through a naturalization process, so he is either a natural born citizen or an illegal immigrant.
It is not impossible. There are enough officers that believe in the Constitution and the rule of law. All it takes is one with guts enough to do something. As soon as Obama is delared a usurper or suspected of being one then the US military is bound to move on it. The officers that are “political” and won’t have the guts to move on it will also not have the guts to oppose those who do. It may be surprising to see those that stand up and those that go to ground.
It is what happens after that, that will be interesting
Rep. John Bingham of Ohio, considered the father of the Fourteenth Amendment, confirms the understanding and construction the framers used in regards to birthright and jurisdiction while speaking on civil rights of citizens in the House on March 9, 1866:
” ... I find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen...”
Native born is geographic. Natural born is allegiance based and can be based upon blood line as child of citizens no matter location of birth.
N00b! Hasn’t Axcelrod changed your talking points for astroturfing yet?
1. Unless his definition is included in the 14th Amendment, then no, his personal definition does not appear to be relevant.
2. If he was born on the moon to an American parent, then yes he is natural born.
That is an outright lie, and I suspect you damn wel know it! The law when Obama was supposedly born stated that his mother had to have been residing int he US for at least five years past the age of fourteen. You agitprop Obamanoid liars are getting bold!
Why would Axelrod agree with me? He wants Zero to show his BC to a court now like Johnnie Mac did?
One would think an “Old timer” would not say such stupid things.
Nice try. It isn’t ‘jumping or not jumping on a bandwagon’ it is the smartaleck ridicule and condescension, dumb blonde. Seems to be your stock and trade at FR.
...here come the smart guys!! :) LOVE your tag line...how TRUE!!
He knew what ever the truth was when "he" wrote his books. He wouldn't have had to "make up" a story about his father if his father was someone else, just told the truth. Who would have cared?
You might want to follow the link to Sec. 1401 that takes you to Cornell's website. The above is not in the code that they show but appears to be the linking website's comments. In other words...0.
It would be interesting to see Obama arrested at his inaugaration by a military officer. What would the secret service do? I would almost bet that there are others in positions of power within the US that know what the true score is with Obama. It may be a waiting game as he has really done nothing illegal until he tries to take office.
We are either a nation that lives under the rule of law, as set forth in the Constitution, The Bill of Right, and other legal enabling bodies or we are not.
We will soon know. Keep your powder dry.
This old timer is calling you a liar.
AMEN
Are you practising for an Idiot license? Obama would not have been born a citizen to a mother under 18 at the time of birth. His mother was not old enough to pass it to him. She was within the US almost her whole life.
In no way are my remarks helpful to Obama’s case. Just because I forecast that the absurd Donofrio case was going nowhere does not mean I believe Obama is eligible.
Only someone intent on distorting my points would talk like you.
1) A U.S. citizen at birth is a “natural born citizen”
2) The children of Military personnel serving overseas are “natural born citizens” (Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)).
Anyone born inside the United States
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
Thanks for chiming in just to sling your own insults.
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