Posted on 12/16/2008 4:19:57 PM PST by briarbey b
Emmerich de Vattel was a Swiss jurist who attained world preeminence in international law. This was primarily the result of his great foundational work, which he published in 1758. His monumental work - The Law of Nations - applied a theory of natural law to international relations. His scholarly, foundational, and systematic explanation of the Law of Nations was especially influential in the United States.
The Law of Nations was so influnntial in the United States because his principles of liberty and equality coincided with the ideals expressed in the US Declaration of Independence. In particular, his definitions in terms of Law governing nations regarding citizenship, defense of neutrality, and his rules for commerce between neutral and belligerent states were considered authoritative in the United States.
Many have said that de Vattel's Law of Nations was THE primary reference and defining book used by the framers of the US Constitution. It is really not possible to overstate the influence of de Vattel's Law of Nations as the primary reference book in the drafting of the US Constitution. Emmerich de Vattel's Law of Nations is almost beyond comparison in its value as a defining document regarding US Constitution intent and interpretation. The Law of Nations, or the Principles of Natural Law, published in 1758, is the first, and ONLY, definitive work the Framers of the US Constitution used for the 'Natural Born Citizen' phrase they placed within the Constitution. It nails what the Constitution means by the "natural born citizen" phrase of Section 1, Article 2, of the US Constitution.
It is amazing how perfectly, precisely, and explicitly what Emmerich de Vattel, wrote in paragraph 212, of book 1, chapter 19, of The Law of Nations entitled CITIZENS AND NATIONS, applies to the Obama FRAUD. Quite clearly and explicitly it defines why Barry Soetoro, AKA Barack Heussein Obama Junior, can NOT possibly be qualified to be the President of the United States. Obama MUST be disqualified from the office of President of the United States according to the US Constitution Section 1 Article 2.
That is simply the only thing the Rule of Law could conclude. All US military personal and every other American under oath to protect and defend the US Constitution will be duty bound to remove the fraudulent usurper. This situation is REGARDLESS of votes, electors, media blackouts, high profile embarrassments, state court decisions, supreme court actions or inaction, birth certificates real or forged, or any other documents - Obama can NOT LEGALLY BE The US President. Fraud and illegality has become customary under the Bush-Clinton-Bush syndicate of sudden destruction.
Emmerich de Vattel's explanation of "Natural Born Citizen" given in his 1759 benchmark work, used, and so often quoted, by the framers of the US constitution, makes the understanding simple, explicit, clear, definite, exact, precise, and strict. In the CITIZENS AND NATIONS, paragraph #212, de Vattel says: "The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society can not exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as a matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. THE COUNTRY OF THE FATHERS IS THEREFORE THAT OF THE CHILDREN."
No documentation is required. Everyone should understand and KNOW the answer to the question of what country is the country of which Obama was a natural born citizen. It is IMPOSSIBLE for Barry Obama, Barry Soetoro, or Barack Hussein Obama Junior, to be a natural born United States citizen. He can NOT POSSIBLY be a "natural born citizen" of the US because his father, Barack Hussein Obama Senior, was a Citizen of UK and/or Kenya. Barcak Hussein Obama Junior could be a natural born British Citizen or a natural born Kenyan Citizen. There is NO possible way Barack Hussein Obama Junior could be a natural born US Citizen; because, at the time of Barack Hussein Obama Junior was born, his father, Barack Hussein Obama Senior was a British and/or Kenyan Citizen. Whether Barack Hussein Obama Junior was born in Hawaii, Kenya, or the moon, is irrelevant. Birth documents, real or forged, are irrelevant. Yes, even VOTES ARE IRRELEVANT. Even Supreme Court action, or inaction, is irrelevant. It is simply FRAUD and illegal for Barack Hussein Obama Junior to be put in the office of US President by any means or reason.
This explains Obama's strange behavior in all of his documents and records being SEALED and why he has already spent over $800,000.00 saying NO DOCUMENTS WILL BE ALLOWED UNSEALED or made public.
Barack Hussein Obama Junior is at the epicenter of the greatest national disaster in the history of the United States. NOTHING which Obama would ever do in the office of US President could ever be anything other than FRAUD and ILLEGAL.
I like the way brother Ted said it - The consequences of the Supreme Court declining to address the US Constitution's "natural born citizen" clause on the morning of Monday 12/15/08 — thereafter enabling the College of Electors to transform the crisis from "law" to "political and Congressional", leading to the `inauguration' of Mr. Obama, are nothing less than catastrophic. Lawsuits by members of the military challenging his `commander in chief' status are INEVITABLE. And a military takeover to oust the "usurper" may be inevitable as well. Where is the media? This is no "tin foil hat" joke.
AN-OBAMA-NATION CAN BE NOTHING BUT FRAUDULENT AND ILLEGAL.
“1. Unless his definition is included in the 14th Amendment, then no, his personal definition does not appear to be relevant.”
It is clearly relevant if one desires to understand what the author is talking about, and the term is not elsewhere defined as you seem to suggest. You appear to be a “living Constitution” advocate.
“2. If he was born on the moon to an American parent, then yes he is natural born.”
It appears you have some homework to do.
Briarbey b, us guys realized you were a female, none of us in our right minds would dare call a woman a dumb blonde!
Wrong......she lived overseas the majority of her life, from childhood on, with spells in the U.S.
Briarbey b, us guys realized you were a female, none of us in our right minds would dare call a woman a dumb blonde!
ROFLMAO!! Smart man! But kind sir..I can be ...SOMETIMES!
But doesn’t change the fact that I am an American and I am very worried about my country and the future of my grandchildren. I am also concerned about the apathy and non concern of so many.
As a grandma and a dumb blonde at times, I can still pick up a rifle with the best of them and fight for what I believe in....just don’t stand in front of me!! :)
Blatant liars seldom know where their lies end ... pitiful that.
The destruction of our Constitutional Republic has been planned in such a way that there will not be any ‘picking up a rifle’ to defend the dead Republic. By abrogating the Constitutional eligibility requirement, the contract with We The People is ended. What follows will be servitude exchanged for food and shelter. The old ‘We The People’ will be effectively ‘we the sheeple, in order to avoid racial viloence and martial law’ ...
I don't appreciate being called a liar. Back off.
I said the article didn't make his point. Where does it say anything like what you posted? It doesn't, does it? Not only was I not lying, I was right.
Sadly...it just may end up being that easy. But I can still say...”Give me Liberty or Give me Death!!” Because without our liberty we might as well be dead. Life without the freedom to live it is no life at all!!
INDUBITABLY -- UNEQUIVOCALLY -- SO!!!
CASE CLOSED!!
STE=Q
You are preaching to the choir. I think the case has merit because Obama was born in Kenya, to a foreign father and a mother who had not lived for five years in the US beyond the age of 18.
I also strongly suspect that Obama registered for school as a foreign national, or used a foreign passport as an adult, or acted in some other way to create a presidential disability.
Even though the case has apparent merit, I think the Supreme Court will cower.
All those born under those criteria are citizens at birth, thus by the natural act of being born, they are citizens.
Two types of U.S. citizens, natural born and naturalized.
If Obama was born in Hawaii he was a natural born U.S. citizen, and always would be, no matter any other citizenship status.
Pay attention. I didn’t call you a liar, I called arrogantsob n00b a liar. I pinged you because he lied to you.
“Oh please...”
I sense we are on the same page. With the 1) and 2) I was simply trying to eliminate a few of the likely 1961 possiblities.
Your post makes me wonder what the dates of his books are, the date of the 1990’s tape wherein he states he was trying to figure out who his father was and the date he decided to run for president.
O acts as though he has a substantial reason for not disclosing his birth documents and he is in essence playing a shell game with our nation. When one has a problem but doesn’t have the facts, it is appropriate to speculate.
So, think outside the box with me. If O was born in Kenya, he is astute enough to realize he is short one US citizen parent in order to qualify for the presidency.
Now lets consider whether, after he decided to run for president, there was a Sandy Burglar-type operation in Hawaii. Could it be Gov Lingo sealed the records based on evidence of prior tampering?
When discussing this issue with a lib my stock question is “why won’t 0 just show the BC and settle this controversy once and for all”? I have yet to get a cogent answer.
In all seriousness, if I were to venture over to Kos or Huffy, how would they explain 0’s reluctance?
The resolution of all this seems so simple to me.
I was unclear and meant that she had lived in the US almost her entire life before the age of 18 not after that. Her life after that was mostly out of the country I believe and gave rise to another blind alley in the claim that Obama was adopted and thereby lost his American citizenship, if he was a citizen prior. Indonesia law cannot remove an American’s citizenship.
What am I supposed to be lying about?
Indeed it is you who are lying when claiming I am a Obama supporter. Review my posts and show me ONE supporting him in any way. Not agreeing with ludicrously constructed court cases does not make it.
Some people cannot do any better.
Thanks for recalling that little tidbit. I was only referring to the Founding period not superceding works.
It wasn’t Vattel which was ratified but the US constitution a gender neutral document.
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