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To: John Valentine
If you could substitute truth for condescension you'd be right. But you aren't.

” ‘At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country, of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further, and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction, without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient, for everything we have now to consider, that all children, born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction, are themselves citizens.’ Minor v. Happersett (1874) 21 Wall. 162, 166-168.”

So what about this proves your point exactly? It doesn't provide the "natural born citizen" definition you need. The most it says is "there have been doubts". It doesn't say those doubts are valid, and then it explicity avoids going into it any further.

This doesn't help you.

173 posted on 12/23/2008 8:26:50 PM PST by mlo
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To: mlo

The intent and writing of the Constitution IS crystal clear, I capitalized the differences in the requirements. If a simple requirement of ordinary citizenship was the POTUS requirement, they would have said CITIZEN consistently. Instead they said:

Article. I.
No Person shall be a REPRESENTATIVE who shall not have attained to the Age of TWENTY FIVE YEARS, and been SEVEN YEARS a CITIZEN of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.

No Person shall be a SENATOR who shall not have attained to the Age of THIRTY YEARS, and been NINE YEARS a CITIZEN of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.

NO PERSON EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of PRESIDENT; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of THIRTY FIVE YEARS, and been FOURTEEN Years a Resident within the United States.

So here we have it:

US Representative: Age 25, 7 yrs. resident & citizen
US Senator.......: Age 30, 9 yrs. resident & citizen
US PRESIDENT.....: Age 35, 14yrs. resident & NATURAL BORN

Obama has always known that he dooes not meet the requirement of Natural Born. It explains why he attempted to insert verbage into Senate Resolution 511 and the Passport breeches (thrice) by those advisors related to his campaign.


190 posted on 12/23/2008 9:21:52 PM PST by Gemsbok (If wishes were horses, than beggars would ride)
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To: mlo
This doesn't help you.

It helps me a hell of a lot more than it helps you. In addition, reason is on my side.

193 posted on 12/23/2008 9:26:08 PM PST by John Valentine
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To: mlo
If you could substitute truth for condescension you'd be right.

So, what is this? If I try to explain how this works to someone else, it's condescending? What's condescending is insisting against all reason and precedent that everyone who disagrees with you is wrong without providing a single shred of explanation or justification - like you have.

195 posted on 12/23/2008 9:29:24 PM PST by John Valentine
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