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To: calenel
Regarding the child of a Mexican mother born in the U.S., here's another reference:

Additionally, Charles Pinckney in 1800 said the presidential eligibility clause was designed “to insure … attachment to the country.”
What better way to insure attachment to the country then to require the President to have inherited his American citizenship through his American father and not through a foreign father. Any child can be born anywhere in the country and removed by their father to be raised in his native country. The risks would be for the child to return in later life to reside in this country bringing with him foreign influences and intrigues.

226 posted on 12/23/2008 10:31:44 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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Therefore, we can say with confidence that a natural-born citizen of the United States means those persons born whose father the United States already has an established jurisdiction over, i.e., born to father’s who are themselves citizens of the United States. A person who had been born under a double allegiance cannot be said to be a natural-born citizen of the United States because such status is not recognized (only in fiction of law). A child born to an American mother and alien father could be said to be a citizen of the United States by some affirmative act of law but never entitled to be a natural-born citizen because through laws of nature the child inherits the condition of their father.

228 posted on 12/23/2008 10:33:26 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
here's another reference:

Senator Pinckney's opinions do not establish Constitutionality any more than Senator Feinstein's opinions do. Plenty of elected officials wish that the Constitution says something else besides what it clearly says. All this wishing doesn't make it true.

Now post some case law.

232 posted on 12/23/2008 10:43:22 PM PST by Drew68
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To: MHGinTN
"Additionally, Charles Pinckney in 1800 said the presidential eligibility clause was designed “to insure … attachment to the country.” What better way to insure attachment to the country then to require the President to have inherited his American citizenship through his American father and not through a foreign father. Any child can be born anywhere in the country and removed by their father to be raised in his native country. The risks would be for the child to return in later life to reside in this country bringing with him foreign influences and intrigues."

Too bad nobody brought that up to John Bingham while he was doing such a poor job of framing the 14th. Or to any of the ratifying legislatures, state and federal. Suppose that the citizenships of Dunham and Obama Sr. had been reversed. Would what Charles Pinkney said have been applicable? Because then, substituting 'parent' for 'father' (which is how the SCOTUS would read it) that would be exactly what happened. Stanley Ann Dunham was no friend of the US, and Obama Sr. was not a major influence on Obama Jr. But Dunham was a citizen and it is only by the happy factor of Obama's possible birth outside of the US that he might not be eligible.

We have the Rule of Law in this country. That is one of the factors that makes the US the best nation, the best form of government, that God ever gave Man. But while we might be getting skewered by that very same Rule of Law, we also might be getting saved by it. That is why we must force the production of the BC. Either way. Obama, regardless of his eligibility, must not be allowed to skate, but at the same time we cannot abandon the principles that do, in fact, make us the greatest nation the world has ever seen.

252 posted on 12/24/2008 12:03:58 AM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Socialist Mafia.)
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