Importance of the newly located Dunham/Obama Sr divorce decree in proving ineligibility

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[MirandaRietz]

That information is on the Hawaii records website.

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/index.html

Who is eligible to apply and how to apply for an amendment?

Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country. Who is eligible to apply and how to apply for an amended certificate of birth?

Late registration, registration one year or more after the date of the event’s occurrence, of certificates are permitted subject to evidentiary requirements.

Who is eligible to apply and how to apply for late registration?

Requests to change an item (e.g., following a legal change of name) on a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth will result in the cancellation of the Certificate of Hawaiian Birth and the preparation of a late birth certificate in lieu thereof, subject to the evidentiary requirements specific to late registration in connection with Certificates of Hawaiian Birth.

Who is eligible to apply and how to apply for a late birth certificate in lieu of a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth?

http://birthdatabase.net/hawaii/birth-records.htm They are on file at the Hawaii State Archives, the Department of Health, and the Daughters of the American Revolution Library in Honolulu, and many are at the FHL in Salt Lake City. Since 1911, delayed birth certificates can be applied for in Hawaii.

[El Gato]

hat would happen? Would Biden be Pres elect which would put Hitlery in as VP?

Since the electoral votes have not yet been counted, it's possible that the ones cast for Obama for President would be declared invalid. In that case no one would get a majority of the electoral college votes and the election would be thrown into the House of Representatives. They are constrained to pick from the top three vote getters, which would be McCain, unless some Obama elector was "unfaithful" and voted for someone else..say Hillary. Then the House could choose between that person or those persons, and McCain. I don't think the uber majority Democrat House would pick McCain.

Now if this did no come through until after the votes are counted, well then it's a mess, but Biden would be acting President under the 25th amendment, until a President shall have qualified. I don't know if that means it would go to the House per the 12th amendment or not, I guess that's all that would make sense, since the Constitution clearly does not provide for an election "do over".

[Will88]

"Sorry, but we just don't get to "redefine" Constitutional terms as we please, whether "over the years" or in just a single moment.

Lol, the case can be made that the term only applied to the lifetime of the founders. They didn't want some British born resident still loyal to the crown to become president and steer US policies to favor Britain. Is that still a big concern in 2009? Some things in the constitution are very specific, some things are very, very general, and some things fall in between. Try as you might, you cannot prove any precise definition of "natural born citizen" that has affirmed by the SCOTUS, and how it applies to anchor babies, which is how this discussion between you and me started.

And save the Democrat/Republican silliness. You are not the final arbiter of what is and is not conservative. That's a personal opinion, and one cannot always know how the most conservative, or most liberal judges will rule on particular cases.

But, hey, do you think this prospective candidate from my #313 should be allowed to run for president:

I doubt they look ahead and wanted to prevent some kid born in a border town hospital of Mexican parents, who spent his entire life in the US, maybe served in the armed forces, and maybe became the first Hispanic-American Senator from Texax, I doubt the founders intended to prevent that citizen from being able to run for president in the 21st century.

[MirandaRietz]

mojitojoe, My apologies. The article came out this morning and I did not check out the electoral votes as of this morning. They are all there.

Dayum!

[MirandaRietz]

wow....great research!

[trumandogz]

Here is the Hawaii law that you are referring to.

However, under this law, Obama if born outside of the State of Hawaii could not have been granted a BC.

[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htm

[MHGinTN]

Perhaps what you refer to is the law which in 1961 required a female to be an American citizen for five years past her fourteenth birthday in order to pass her citizenship tot he child IF the child was born not on American soil. If Barack was born in early August '61, his mother was impregnated in the winter of 1960.

[WVNan]

I used to be able to access a lot of files that are no longer available without paying through the nose. I’m not sure about the POE files, but I’m guessing that if they are to be had, one would have to subscribe to some org. that has sewed up the rights to access. The Mormon Church in Salt Lake City has the most comprehensive geneology files in the world. Don’t know if they have POE files, but might have if someone would like to check. I’m not up to sitting that long right now. Having some structural system problems.

[Will88]

BTW, there is NO legal basis for ‘anchor babies’ citizenship, let alone natural-born citizenship. Even US v. Wong Kim Ark is not on point.

I agree with that, and don't think they should be granted citizenship. But since so many have been recognized as citizens, I seriously doubt any efforts would succeed in preventing one from running for president.

The anchor baby nonsense is the greatest weakness in our being able to control who resides in the US, but I don't see it being changed any time soon, if ever.

[El Gato]

the House of Representatives would have to elect a President from among the top three electoral vote getters who were qualified, i.e, John McCain, John McCain, or John McCain, and after the House election, Biden would resume his elected office of Vice President under President McCain.

Unless there was at least one "faithless" elector who voted for some other prominent Democrat. Then even if she only got one electoral vote, the House could, and likely would, pick her.

Bad as that would be, it's preferable to having an ineligible person, a usurper if you will, pretending to be President. It would also at least be consistent with the Constitution.

[mojitojoe]

you said.....Is it significant that he deceived the Illinois Bar Association with his perjury regarding 'other names' he has been known by during his life? Is it significant that he posted a forged COLB to game the campaign system and collect hundreds of millions in campaign funds under false pretenses? Is it significant that he has posted an altered Selective Service document as his 'registration for selective service? Is it significant that he has sent an army of lawyers and detectives out into the world--literally from Kenya to Hawaii--to hide every scrap of documentation for his adult life? Is it significant that Obama's handlers have paid an army of liars and twisters to work the Internet chatrooms and places like Freerepublic, to obfuscate and lie where anything arises which would expose the half-black affirmative action poseur? Is it significant that Obama and his election results are closely tied to criminal activities of ACORN and to domestic terrorists? Is it significant that Obama has lied openly and repeatedly, with layers of lies on several issues, like Ayers and Wright, to deceive voters? ... For too many, those things are not disqualifiers of an affirmative action candidate. Those folks do not deserve the Constitutional Republic much blood has been shed to protect. To some of us, it is like a waving red sheet in front of an angry bull. This lying piece of excrement needs to be exposed so he can be rejected by We The People. He is not nor is the threatened violence of his sycophants more important than the Constitutional contract which connects We The People to the federal authority granted for governance. This is an extremely serious issue and must be pushed to the limits, NOW.

Best post of the day. Thank you. The birth issue is a tiny piece of the puzzle and it's never good to put all of your eggs in one basket. There is so much out there, so many other issues. The house deal with Rezko, Michelle's instant raise when he was elected in IL, his trip to Africa to help his cousin, Odinga and the ensuing violence that erupted, I could go on forever. I honestly think this election was planned years ago. It was bought by people so powerful and so wealthy that nobody will touch it. Not the Supremes, not Congress. I believe they know now they were snookered, but feel the only way out is to let him, let it play out. Sad but true.

[Chief Engineer]

I have been in contact with the author of that particular book, Michael Patrick Leahy, and he has agreed that there is an absence of evidence that Obama Sr and Ann ever lived together. He is changing some errors which he had written and the searching continues including further research on the registered owners of the property used in the birth announcement. He also agrees with me that Ann stayed in WA state after she registered for the extension courses which is why she registered as Ann Dunham, so she was eligible for in state tuition. Remember she had graduated from Mercer Island High School, and lived continuously in WA state since 1955 until the family moved to HI in June 1960.

[El Gato]

They would just change the law retroactively....too much at stake.

What law? The statute law cannot define who is a natural born citizen. Congress only has power over "naturalization". So the only way to pull that off would be to amend the Constitution to remove the natural born requirement. They would at least have to add ".. or a citizen at birth under the laws of the United States", and then change those laws retroactively, perhaps by making the current law retroactive, which it is not.

[MirandaRietz]

Here is the sanitized version on wiki.

She married him on February 2, 1961 in Maui, Hawaii despite some parental opposition to the marriage from both sides. Obama Sr.'s other wife, Kezia, granted her consent for him to marry a second wife, in keeping with tribal custom, though Ann Dunham would not find out that her new husband was already married until later. Dunham was three months pregnant at the time of her marriage. On August 4, 1961, at age 18, she gave birth to her first child, Barack Obama II. Later that month, she visited old friends in Washington state with her new baby.

Mother and son returned to Seattle, where she enrolled in the University of Washington either before or after her husband left Hawaii. Subsequently, Dunham moved back to Hawaii and filed for divorce in Honolulu in January 1964. Obama Sr. did not contest, and the divorce was granted.

[hoosiermama]

Thanks Nan for your input.

[Jim Noble]

Unless there was at least one "faithless" elector who voted for some other prominent Democrat

Correct. I always thought that, if we saw a few EV for HRC, that that might be the game.

But as far as we know, none of the electors voted for anyone else this time.

[autumnraine]

Because someone said that even now, flights from Africa go through the mainland. So I just on a whim checked, and yest they do.

[Will88]

There is now on court record an expert witness/documents expert who states flatly that the web version of Obama’s COLB is not valid.

I agreed all those things you listed were significant. But Obama can bring out his own documents experts. I hope more evidence keeps piling up, but it will take overwhelming evidence to ever get the MSM to begin reporting on these apparent cases of deceit on Obama's part.

His fumbling and bumbling with the Blogojevich affair was probably the first chink in the armor for many. It'll take a lot more.

[little jeremiah]

Maybe this is being addressed already - but I am confused about this. (Probably just need to re-read maybe the “long” thread...?). But could it be cleared up whether Ann studied in WA via correspondence, or did she attend classes in person at that time?

[MHGinTN]

And we have folks who are not n00bs at FR who lobe to deceive in protection for this lying piece of sh!t. Just look at the above post trying to misdirect attention to the 1982 way the law was refashioned regarding allowing non-Hawaiian births to receive HI COLB. The poster knows the law read differnetly in 1961 but posts the 1982 reading as a means to obfuscate and try to impugn the poster who the liar responded to! It is a circus, the obamanoids want it to continue to be a circus and work very hard to make it that way. That’s the best they can do for thier fraudulent affirmative action messiah. And they appear to enjoy the game ... yes, game. It is a game to them. They wipe their obamanoid butts with the Constitution and ricidule Freepers to feed their twsited egos. Some of them even have alternate names at Democrat Underground and hurry back and forth to post the results of their deceitful gamesmanship. For an example of that, take a look at the posting history ‘janx’ over at DU. And that’s just one of many. The moderators have the IP addies.