Posted on 01/07/2009 6:00:18 PM PST by Inappropriate Laughter
Well you keep saying the evidence is there, but you dont provide it? Sorry you think I am so close minded. When I did not understand the details required to support Darwin’s theory, I thought it could coexist with a creationist view. I figured God created man in his own time and way through evolution. But Darwin assumed a “simple” process in cell production, a black box that exhibited no complex machinery or processes. That has now been shown to be incorrect, yet those invested in evolution of all life from the primordal goo continue to assume that that complex nature just “formed”. Or that it was deposited here by some other higher being from another world (as long as it was not God).
Good night as well.
Interesting observation, Magnum44. This may be a good description of activities going on in the "local neighborhood"; but to me it is doubtful that DNA itself could ever be comprehensively understood in terms of its strictly "local" effects.
I'm well aware that, these days, there is a popular school of the philosophy of science that, taking a page from Newton (they think), "reduces" the universe to mechanical laws. WRT Newton, nothing could be further from the truth, in terms of Newton's own thought and convictions. But that's another story for another day....
What we really need to ask is: What is DNA? Everybody it seems just takes DNA for granted, and imbues it with whatever qualities needful to make their theories come out right. Usually it is envisioned as completely specifiable by the physico-chemical laws; and its activity is essentially random, in the limit of "natural selection."
According to this mindset, the reduction to the "machine" is the most efficient, compact, homologous, and thus most fruitful line of inquiry for the biological sciences at the present time.
Personally, I don't believe the "machine model" will get us anywhere, if we're interested in exploring the physical basis of Life. For machines have to be built and progammed before they can do anything for us. And that "anything" has been specified in advance by the builder of "the machine," otherwise he wouldn't build it.
If I'm not mistaken, science does not want to get involved with problems of just this nature. And so evidently "orthodox" science will not brook any idea of "intelligent design" whatsoever — supposedly to keep their "method", "clean."
I really do hope that we folks here at FR who are interested in this problem will continue to collaborate in the future, so to exchange insights – given the opportunity.
Thanks so much for writing Magnum44!
Some were at various times and places..
It was a high priest that crucified Jesus..
God whisled for Darius, Cyrus and Nebuchanezzar to punish the Jews for good reason..
Yes... ALL OF THEM..
Being filled with the Holy Spirit is a starting point to even BE a christian.. That don't make you an apostle.. Actually if you havent been filled with the holy spirit you are not even a christian.. you are merely a religious person.. like a Buddist..
Thank you for your considerate response.
The origin of the universe, life, and man are clearly subjects of interest to the scientific community and I support the “clean” scientific process. They are also subjects of theology. And I believe that while some evidence may support one theory (Darwin), that does not preclude another theory. Many popular scientific theories of the day have been disproven over time.
As a Christian, I believe that we were created with the desire to understand the physical universe we live in. We will never understand it completely in this life, but we have the built in desire regardless. In the process we discover many things, including the wonders of Gods creation. And many of those discoveries have Gods fingerprints on them, if one is open to see them. Of course if ones eyes are closed to this, one does not see. God gives us the choice to see or not.
I am an aerospace engineer, quite educated, but not a practicing “scientist” in the classical sense, so, on one hand, maybe I am not adhering precisely to an academic scientific method in my thought process. But on the other, as an engineer, the DNA/RNA nano-machinery is just fascinating, and as one who understands a little about machine design, computer design, and software design, these mechanisms have higher intelligence written all over them.
It stands right up there with the Big Bang for signatures of God. (If you dont know, the Big Bang is pretty much undersood...except for how it got started, which requires you to believe it got a “push” of energy by ??? not explained in the mathematics)
Have a good nite.
Yes, the OT is full of stories about how the Jews fell into idolatry. That does not mean that God’s approved use (via the Levites ) of the Urim and Thummim, for example, was pagan.
“Actually if you havent been filled with the holy spirit you are not even a christian.. you are merely a religious person.. like a Buddist..”
I understand that viewpoint, but it’s not the same thing as what happened on the Pentecost. And, yes, I understand some misguided folk pretend to have the same experience as that written of in Acts 2. But certainly you don’t believe any Christians alive today, including the silly folk who speak gibberish and flail about, are empowered with the spiritual gifts displayed back then.
I’ve not heard of any living human who can speak and have EVERYONE from ANYWHERE understand what is being said in each listener’s native tongue. That is the real version of speaking in tongues.
We can continue to argue about this if you wish since I like that kind of thing. But I seriously doubt that there is anything you can say that will convince me your interpretation of Who chose Matthias is somehow more valid than that of Peter and the other apostles.
Also, I am not a Buddhist. I AM Buddha.
No thats being possessed with something.. as a ceremonial christian is.. The Jews proved ceremony was worthless..
“No thats being possessed with something..”
I think we agree that the modern folks who flop on the floor and say things nobody can understand are NOT experiencing anything from the Holy Spirit.
“The Jews proved ceremony was worthless..”
Well, I’d agree that they often misused it. And, obviously to the bible student, Christ’s perfect and final sacrifice put an end to the blood ordinances.
By the way I misused the term “Jews” once or twice above. I should have said “Israelites”.
If you are not "born again" then you are still a primate..
Makes little difference of your origination..
You are born on this planet with the hope(possibility) of being born again..
Failing that.... all other data is meaningless..
“If you are not “born again” then you are still a primate..”
I am familiar with the so-called “born again” concept, but I’ll have to admit I’ve never heard it stated exactly that way before.
But use of the word “primate” does almost make it seem like our discussion is back on-topic with the ToE stuff.
Good luck and God bless.
Jesus said, "You MUST be born again"..
I would enjoy a discussion of the “born again” concept, but it does seem we’ve already strayed far from topic here. I don’t wish to keep this thread floating based solely on that, but you are older (join date) than I so if you think it appropriate I will give my opinion regarding it on this thread.
We could, I suppose, claim the gods of Time and Chance have caused the debate to “evolve” thus slyly persisting the relevance of our topical negligence.
Speaking of your FR seniority (hell, I’d not even heard of FR in ‘98), I forgot to mention that I clicked on your username.
Two of the three branches on your “Reading Material” tree are dead. Apparently they were linked to FR articles that have become virtual victims of some sort of unnatural selection.
Also, of your listed quotations, the H.L. Mencken one is my favorite. While I certainly don’t agree with everything he wrote, that particular quote regarding the politics of fear is quite applicable still nearly a century later as many of today’s headlines would attest.
“Most of the Founding Fathers were Deists, not Christian fundamentalists.”
That’s BULL. You are a liar or a fool.
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