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Vought retirees find, restore World War II Corsair fighter
FWST ^ | 1-24-09 | BOB COX

Posted on 01/24/2009 9:25:30 AM PST by Dysart

DALLAS — After four years of painstaking labor, artisans of the Vought Aircraft Retirees Club have restored an icon of U.S. aviation history, a World War II-vintage F4U Corsair fighter plane.

Working with pieces and parts from several wrecked and scrapped aircraft and building many others themselves from drawings, the retirees have spent thousands of hours and hundreds of thousands of dollars re-creating a version of the distinctive, gull-winged plane that Japanese soldiers and sailors dubbed "Whistling Death."

Rebuilding the Corsair, one of two great fighter planes — the other was the Grumman F6F Hellcat — that enabled Navy and Marine pilots to dominate the skies in the Pacific theater, "has been a real work of love for the last four years," said Hank Merbler, president of the Vought Aircraft Heritage Foundation.

The recently completed plane, which isn’t flyable and will eventually end up in an area museum, will be rolled out for several hundred invited guests today in a hangar at Vought Aircraft Industries west Dallas complex.

Launched in 1938 to meet Navy requirements for a high-speed fighter airplane, the Corsair is the most famous aircraft designed and produced by the company founded by the aviation pioneer Chance Vought.

"It’s an airplane I’m really proud of. If you read all the history of it, it’s really something," said Dillon Smith, a 34-year employee of Vought who retired in 1994.

"It did what it was designed to do and that was defeat the Japanese Zero," Smith said.

The first new, highly capable fighter aircraft to reach the Pacific theater early in 1943, the Corsair was initially deployed with ground-based Marine squadrons.

Corsairs were flown by the famous "Black Sheep" Squadron, led by Marine Maj. Gregory "Pappy" Boyington, whose exploits were the basis for the mid-1970s television show Baa Baa Black Sheep.

(Excerpt) Read more at star-telegram.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aviation; corsair; militaryhistory; navair; vought
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To: 19th LA Inf
I’ll bet there are a few former Marine aviators on this board who will point out that, when Navy pilots found the F4U “almost impossible to land on carriers”, the Marines went ahead and did it! A few years back I worked with a former Marine pilot from the 1945 era who flew them off a carrier. His favorite story was about encountering a flight of lost USAAF P-38s who asked the Marines for a steer to any handy airbase. They led the AAF guys to their carrier and invited them to drop in for coffee. (They knew that Okinawa was barely out of sight).

I'd point out that any Marine F4U jockey who encountered P-38s off Okinawa would've been flying a later-model Corsair with the landing-gear issue corrected.

It ultimately came down to standardization. When the F4U was pulled from CV duty, USN squadrons standardized on the Hellcat. The Marines, who were operating ashore, got the Corsairs. The two aircraft were close enough in capabilities that when newer models arrived they were assigned according to whoever already flew them. So when the Marines went back aboard the carriers, they took their newer-model Corsairs with them.
41 posted on 01/24/2009 10:45:06 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: Northern Yankee

That long nose was hard to see over. On 29 July 1999, a flight of a Bearcat and two F4Us were taxiing for takeoff at Oshkosh. The Bearcat stopped and the first F4U ran into it, destroying both aircraft. Then the second F4U veered off the taxiway and was substantially damaged. I’m pretty sure the lead F4U was actually owned by Vought and being flown by a company exec.


42 posted on 01/24/2009 10:48:47 AM PST by 19th LA Inf
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To: Poison Pill
I'm surprised they have never done that with "Blacksheep Squadron"

Be careful what you ask for - they'd be portrayed "air-raiding villages and killing civilians".

43 posted on 01/24/2009 10:49:17 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Enterprise

Thanks...That sounds right, I remember reading when landing an F4U on a carrier the pilot was practically blind.


44 posted on 01/24/2009 10:49:54 AM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Poison Pill

LOL!


45 posted on 01/24/2009 10:51:28 AM PST by bill1952 (McCain and the GOP were worthless)
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To: Dysart

I remember years ago, I was working in New Zealand, at the Antarctic supply depot storage yard at the Christchurch airport. One day a flat bed truck came in with the pieces of a Douglas SBD Dauntless on the bed. It had been found somewhere in the bush, and had just been retrieved, and was on it’s way to a museum for restoration. You could see the faded NZ insignia on the wing, with the US insignia underneath (must have been lend-lease). It looked to me like long, hard work was ahead for the restorers.


46 posted on 01/24/2009 10:54:19 AM PST by shorty_harris
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To: zeebee
Do you know why the wings were shaped that way?

Big engine turning a HUGE propeller. On an aircraft that needed tough, stubby landing gear to absorb carrier landings.

The bent wing with the mains centered at the angle was the logical solution to permitting propeller clearance while also permitting carrier landings. The F8F Bearcat had the same issue, but the Grumman engineers chose a more advanced (permittable by that time) cantilevered landing gear design.
47 posted on 01/24/2009 10:58:43 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: Dysart; tanknetter
Bump 23.
Only similarity I know of between Zero (A6M?) and Hellccat (Bethpage Boiler Works) was low wing/wide gear track versus Wildcat's midwing/narrow track.

sources anyone?

48 posted on 01/24/2009 11:00:49 AM PST by norton
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To: Northern Yankee
These are lovely planes to watch, but tricky to land and takeoff because as a pilot you sit so far back.

They are impressive planes that look like they mean business.

Gee Bee R-1

Jimmy Doolittle flew one of these in the thirties. That he lived to write about it is a miracle.

49 posted on 01/24/2009 11:00:55 AM PST by Seven plus One
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To: zeebee; tanknetter
Trivia question: Do you know why the wings were shaped that way?

I've heard this before but not certain I recall the answer. But I'll take my best guess anyway, did it have to with facilitating carrier landings or working with them on the deck? IE, allowing men to easily walk under the wings? Seem to recall something about that. There's an embedded youtube video of an Air show from Dover AFB on the first link tanknetter posted. A good one.

Grumman F6F Hellcat

50 posted on 01/24/2009 11:00:55 AM PST by Dysart (Democracy is a theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard)
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To: Redleg Duke

“I also learned this week that the F-4U is the only piston-engined fighter to shoot down a jet fighter. It happened against a Mig-15 during the Korean War.”

That was Frank Fisch, a good friend of mine, and he was a Navy carrier pilot.


51 posted on 01/24/2009 11:04:39 AM PST by dalereed
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To: Redleg Duke

A Corsair pilot was also the only Navy ace of the Korean war and the last piston-powered ace. Cdr Guy Bordelon had a detachment of F4U-5N night fighters on board Princeton, as I recall, and near the end in July 1953 he was sent on detached duty to one of the shore bases where “Bedcheck Charlie” night bombers were making nuisances. I believe Bordelon smoked three of them in successive nights and had two other victories to add up to his five. He was picked up and flown back to the carrier for a suitable honors ceremony. Some Air Force pilot “borrowed” his F4U where he had left it parked and wrote it off.


52 posted on 01/24/2009 11:04:58 AM PST by 19th LA Inf
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To: tanknetter
Exactly. The wings were bent for propellor clearance.


53 posted on 01/24/2009 11:08:43 AM PST by zeebee
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To: zeebee
Do you know why the wings were shaped that way?

So Zero pilots could easily identify what was about to blow them out of the sky... ;-)


54 posted on 01/24/2009 11:25:23 AM PST by 6SJ7 (Atlas Shrugged Mode: ON)
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To: r-q-tek86

Agree. That is a TBF-Avenger.

My father flew in those (not as a pilot) off the carrier Essex during WWII.


55 posted on 01/24/2009 11:28:56 AM PST by Dr._Joseph_Warren
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To: norton
sources anyone?

Sources already posted above. I think you misinterpreted the point tho. The Zero wasn't reverse-engineered with its technology incorporated into the Hellcat. It was reverse-engineered to tell the designers at Grumman the A6M's engineering tradeoffs (incredibly nimble, but lacking armor and self-sealing fuel tanks, for instance) so that they could improve their design(s) to counter it effectively.
56 posted on 01/24/2009 11:31:29 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: Dysart; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie; Larry Lucido; Diplomat; ..
Corsair Bump!


57 posted on 01/24/2009 11:35:57 AM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Seven plus One
Granville Brothers' Gee Bee "R-1" and "R-2" Bump!


58 posted on 01/24/2009 11:41:09 AM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Dysart

Whistling Death Ping


59 posted on 01/24/2009 11:45:44 AM PST by Chinstrap61a
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To: Redleg Duke
I also learned this week that the F-4U is the only piston-engined fighter to shoot down a jet fighter. It happened against a Mig-15 during the Korean War.

IIRC, it may have been the first, but during Nam, a Spad (A-1C SkyRaider) from the USS Intrepid CVA-11 took down a Mig 17. VA-176 I think, but I disremember who. There's a book about SkyRaiders somewhere that has it there. Somewhere buried in my library stacks I've got a beat-up paperback about it...

Found it on Amazon:

Skyraider: The Douglas A-1 "Flying Dump Truck" by Navy Captain Rosario Rausa. Damn good book.

Further: yes, there were a couple of Mig-17's shot down by A-1 Skyraiders in Vietnam:

From Google... (I know, but...)MiG-17 FRESCO While flying a RESCAP mission over North Vietnam from the carrier USS Intrepid on Yankee Station in the Tonkin Gulf, four VA-176 A-1 Skyraider pilots were engaged by four North Vietnamese MiG-17s. During this encounter, one MiG 17 was confirmed downed, another was probably downed, and a third was damaged.

A-H Skyraider LCDR Leo Cook and his wingman LTJG Wiley were the lead section of Skyraiders working to locate and hopefully rescue a downed US pilot in North Vietnam. While maneuvering at low altitude between ridges and cloud layers, they were jumped by what turned out to be two sections of MiG 17s. Calling out the attack on their common radio frequency, Cook and Wiley fought for their lives. LT Pete Russell and LTJG Tom Patton soon arrived in the area and immediately gained a position of advantage on the MiGs. The details of this encounter were taped by the intelligence officer on board the Intrepid after the incident.

The tape was provided to the Skyraider Association by Walt Darran (pilot, VA-165, a sister Skyraider squadron on the Intrepid) and can be downloaded in RealAudio format at

http://skyraider.org/skyassn/sartapes/migkill/migkill.htm
------------------ Also earlier:

By Capt Clinton B. Johnson, USNR (Ret.)

June 20, 1965 – A-1 SKYRAIDER MIG Killers

PHOTOS OF US PILOTS & THEIR SKYRAIDERS

<snip> ...Coming around the hill we saw Ed Greathouse and Jim LYNNE low with the MiG lined up behind them. I fired a short burst and missed, but got his attention. He turned hard into us to make a head-on pass. Charlie and I fired simultaneously as he passed so close that Charlie thought that I had hit his vertical stabilizer with the tip of my tail hook and Charlie flew through his wake. Both of us fired all four guns. Charlie's rounds appeared to go down the intake and into the wing root and mine along the top of the fuselage and through the canopy. He never returned our fire, rolled inverted and hit a small hill exploding and burning in a farm field. Charlie and I circled the wreckage while I switched back to number two radio. We briefly considered trying to cut off the other MiG, but were dissuaded by the voice of Ed Greathouse asking what we thought we were doing staying in the area when STRAUSS was reporting numerous bogeys inbound to our position. We took the hint and headed out low level to the Tonkin Gulf were we rejoined with our flight leader.

So it looks like there were several Migs who fell victim to the Spad in Nam. I know, technically Spads were 'Attack' planes, not fighters, but still...

Whadda'ya know...

60 posted on 01/24/2009 11:46:02 AM PST by Right Winged American (No matter how Cynical I get, I just can't keep up!)
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